there is alot of space behind the seeker tho
excuse for absolutely shit drawing
red seeker part
yellow empty or avionics
blue go boom boom
i dont think
the cooling is big
id say it probably relies on tgp and seeker head is only active when it got signal
otherwise you cant use the seeker sight
what i think ^
It doesn’t have to be if you ask me.
You can’t really know for certain where each part starts and ends.
i base its on the - - - - - - and the vertical marking | ] |
also im using common sense because 250kg explosive on a missiles that has a diameter of 0.31m the explosive part sure is long
Those vertical markings might just mark where the parts come together, you can’t really know if some bits are protruding.
You also ended the seeker right at the dot, but you moved the HE part forward in front of it’s own dot.
its just my rough estimation
tell me what you think then
because u would also have to accounted for different electronics and avionics, and given the missiles has such high explosive filler i dont think cooling system would be present or sufficient
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Tell me how many W of cooling capacity are needed for a gen2/3 seeker.
Maybe compare that probable size/gen with LMUR thermal.
not alot
depend on what cooling system it is
65D use JT cooling system which info is classified and below
ok update the site i use for the wattage is scheibe so ill just remove the wattage
It seems like they did test it just not mass produce it
And if I’m not mistaken it’s Su-34 in that picture
But evidence for Su-30 carrying it is still lacking (which is to be expected if it didn’t enter mass production)
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Looking at the size of cooled IR cameras with SD/HD resolutions and 16x zoom, I don’t think the size of the cooling system should be that big to not fit to the missile.
Putting high quality optics on the missiles that are getting destroyed does not make sense, that is if you have high quality TGPs already on the aircraft you plan to mount the missile on.
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I have to note that irl generation and resolution are not tied to eachother necessarily. Though higher generation allows for higher resolution detector arrays at the same size. At least one thing that seems to go hand in hand with generation is the decrease in pixel pitch.
Likely “480p” is too high of an estimate actually. JASSM, AGM-130 (later variants I’m guessing though) apparently use 256x256 element seekers (for these however, they only use them in the terminal phase, JASSM for certain, AGM-130 not sure). The Damocles also for instance has 3rd gen FLIR but only is apparently 320x240. Similarly I have found references to the Litening II to have a 3rd gen FLIR, but that thing only is 256x256 also. Javelin is apparently 64x64.
The IR Maverick is likely only around 64x64 resolution, of 1st generation. AGM-65G footage shows at least the resolution is like very meh at least. I have some papers talking about maverick seeker elements, but no clear resolution. Speaking of Mavericks, I recently also obtained a source on the rocket engine, and it may result in roughly at 15% increase in dV. Most issues with it will still be drag (probably due to how it lofts), but I digress…
But I think Kh-38MT would have around 256x256 as well then, and probably employ it only in the terminal phase as well. It seems to be a missile made for long range and looks to have that INS and GNSS guidance + IR for terminal phase setup, like JASSM and the AASM and later versions of the AGM-130, but idk for sure.
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if 38MT has 256x256 then that is the part where it confused me
FLIR is expensive, not even mentions other avionics that go with it, especially “gen 3 FLIR” too
why would someone put such high res thermal sight pod on an exploded battery
its like, just for reference strapping a 4K camera that cost $5000 on a $500 drone that is going to blow up
im pretty sure everyone would know that its not conservative and are overall pretty dumb decision given RU military budget
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what IR cam u referencing here?
asraam and aim9x have 128x128
read the rest rq
FLIR pods are so expnesive because they are build in limited numbers which increases cost, while they also have to follow strict regulations and making stuff fully redundant
you can get away with lower standarts on a missile you are going to blow up anyways
ASRAAM for example costs 200k$
hmm fair enough
so
does it exist?
no one will ever know atleast until 2030
All depends if that camera helps you destroy something worth millions or to attack something worthless such as a chicken coop.
Assuming the low amount of produced missiles, I think it’d cost them less money in the end than designing really good TGP for all of their older vehicles.
It also helps with the export in countries that also have dated tech.
Below you have a table with their SD and HD options.
The document claims they’re MTEs.
The seeker head is angled downward on both of them.
This is certainly the closest we’ve seen that seeker on an aircraft.
I have no opinion on this matter at this time.
And despite that, it’s seen both are angled downward.
Do not dismiss the evidence.
There is a reason my only opinions posted here are “Let’s wait for evidence.” and “Let’s correct the seekers of Hammer and Kh-38MT to be more accurate to how they should be.” Two opinions based on evidence.
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