The Kh-38MT may not actually exist

[luque13]

@Ghost of TelAviv

The Radar always was shit on it, in GRB it’s not that important though.

Yes the game mode with no markers the Radar is not important…Some take there bud

[Fluffy_Bucketles]

I don’t play AB lol

If I’m playing air, it’s either sim if I can be bothered setting up (which is rare) or air RB.

[UniqueScorpions]

@Morvran_

and what are all those?

Isnt KH-55 a cruise missile?

So thats then Storm Shadow and Taurus

KH-47 is hypersonic cruise missile. which equivalents are being developed at the moment

KH-32 is also a cruise missile

as is KH-101.

So if we add all available weapons to the Typhoon, then that is stuff like Brimstone 2, Brimstone 3, Spear-3, Marte ER, ALARM, AGM-88, etc etc.

@Fluffy_Bucketles

We could get cluster bombs too. Those would be nea

Yup, BL755, MW-1 and JP233 would be really fun to get as well.

Spoiler

THis has been thrown together for fun recently.

Su-39 is still missing over half of its weapon systems lol

[UniqueScorpions]

Bro either you were in a bot lobby, or it was aab

[Fluffy_Bucketles]

Interesting claim. Shame neither is correct :p

[maguumo]

@Morvran_

Hu?
What about Brimstone 3 and Spear-3?

For the context of GRB there would be little to no difference between Brimstone II and III if I’m not mistaken.

@Morvran_

Let alone adding MMW and then LOAL

That’s a balancing and gameplay decision that’s holding back quite a few systems currently, most notably the AH-64D.

@Morvran_

And what is there to add after KH-38?

Nothing I think, unless someone finds a picture of an LMUR glued to a plane. If there’s nothing coming later I can see them adding the KH-38MT so it can be “king of IR AGMs” for a while before the meta moves past it.

@Morvran_

Dont confuse the Brimstone 1 being a “good” weapon with mostly German Pilots who have made the Tornado ASSTA1 work for the past 2 years against Pantsirs, and ARH CAP with only GBUs doing well in the Typhoon with largely the same weapon.

Britain and Italy also still have a lot of latent experience doing the same.

What good players can do with a given weapon system is a pretty good indicator of its capabilities I think. What else would you judge balancing on?

[Morvran]

@maguumo

For the context of GRB there would be little to no difference between Brimstone II and III if I’m not mistaken.

Improved IOG and longer range.

if we are stuck with SAL, then Brimstone 3 would be quite a major boost.

@maguumo

That’s a balancing and gameplay decision that’s holding back quite a few systems currently, most notably the AH-64D.

But it is still something that can be later added.

You said that Brimstone 2 might not be added because

@maguumo

it’s not like there’s many things that can be added left

So Brismtone 2, 3 and Spear-3 and then going back and adding MMW versions and then going back again and adding LOAL versions is at least 9 new weapons that can be added (10 if you also split Spear-3 into GPS only, GPS+SAL, GPS+SAL+MMW and then GPS+SAL+MMW+LOAL) Let alone other weapon types like CBUs, ARM and cruise missiles.

@maguumo

If there’s nothing coming later I can see them adding the KH-38MT so it can be “king of IR AGMs” for a while before the meta moves past it.

Right, and it never existed. That is what this thread is about. Proof it actually existed.

So far, the evidence for it existing is the same as the A2G ASRAAM, which would be a good alternative to MMW Brimstones.

@maguumo

What good players can do with a given weapon system is a pretty good indicator of its capabilities I think. What else would you judge balancing on?

So Soviets need the KH-38MT because they are bad at the game, and Germany, Italy and Britain dont need the Brimstone 2 because they are good at the game?

Stat based balancing is a mess and anyone who even half pays attention to the BRs knows that.

which is why for example the Mig-23MLD has a lower Sim Battle rating to the Tornado GR1. So are you saying the Tornado GR1 is better than the Mig-23MLD because its got a higher BR?

[UniqueScorpions]

I would love to see the replay. Link?

[quartas121]

@mineLo

Very few reasons as to why give the Americans a better shell

Bc US Army is so awesome

[Fluffy_Bucketles]

https://warthunder.com/en/tournament/replay/332836411840171496

As anyone could have worked out, I loitered until folk came in to land then salvoed Kh 38s. And then promptly fumbled it after being annoying. I was/am too tired to play properly, so it’s just screwing around and then failing miserably lol

[WalletWarrior69]

if ru can have kh38mt agm then give us antiair with aim9x and aim120

[quartas121]

Better yet, Nike Hercules SAM with 20 kiloton nuclear warhead

[maguumo]

@Morvran_

Improved IOG and longer range.
if we are stuck with SAL, then Brimstone 3 would be quite a major boost.

The Brimstone II would already add IOG and drastically improve range. It’s best to implement things step by step instead of starting with the strongest version.

@Morvran_

So Brismtone 2, 3 and Spear-3 and then going back and adding MMW versions and then going back again and adding LOAL versions is at least 9 new weapons that can be added (10 if you also split Spear-3 into GPS only, GPS+SAL, GPS+SAL+MMW and then GPS+SAL+MMW+LOAL) Let alone other weapon types like CBUs, ARM and cruise missiles.

It would be quite confusing to have multiple versions of the same weapon with the featureset enabled to different degrees. It could also cause balancing problems (even more so for systems like the AGM-62 ER). It’s easier to just add a Brimstone II/III with mmW and LOAL capability later and leave the previous versions cut down to SALH capability.

@Morvran_

Right, and it never existed. That is what this thread is about. Proof it actually existed.

You are in a discussion about balancing. That has nothing to do with the KH-38MT being realistic or not. Just adding it in is confusing and obnoxious. Besides that I’m not even arguing for the KH-38MT to stay in the game.

@Morvran_

So Soviets need the KH-38MT because they are bad at the game, and Germany, Italy and Britain dont need the Brimstone 2 because they are good at the game?

I didn’t say anything like that. I said that good pilots with the Typhoon perform well, which indicates that it is a very capable platform in its current state. Otherwise it wouldn’t be able to do so, like the Tornado GR.4 which does much worse.

@Morvran_

Stat based balancing is a mess and anyone who even half pays attention to the BRs knows that.

Judging balancing by how good players perform in vehicles is the opposite of stats based balancing.

[Morvran]

Yep, that is the core my argument.

It’s one thing to add KH38MT if everyone had Pantsir level SPAA.

It’s a other when most could barely do anything about a kh29

[Fluffy_Bucketles]

Give SAMP/T pls.

[Beeschurger]

@maguumo

The Brimstone I also does pretty well already from what I’ve seen.

What exactly did you see to made you think this?

Its SALH,requiring for you to fly in such way that the target stays within the gimbal limit of the targeting pod, severely limiting your defensive options

It requires direct hit to do any sort of damage

And its slows requiring you to stay exposed for extremely long

Ita in no way shape or form comparable to even A and B Mavericks, let alone any advanced F&F munition.

[Morvran]

@maguumo

The Brimstone II would already add IOG

It has the same IOG as the Brimstone 1. Brimstone 3 upgrades the INS

[Morvran]

I have no idea what that is

[Fluffy_Bucketles]

French/Italian contraption. Has a slightly silly missile, as most France-related contraptions are wont.

[Morvran]

Ah, yeah that would be good. I want either the anglo-ukrainian ASRAAM slinger or Skysabre for Britain