Balancing can be quantified. The missile having 3x the delta v of any other in its category is a raw data that can be easily understood by everyone, it’s not a question of subjectivity. Same thing with the warhead, the lock distance (all superior or at least equal to its counterparts), the fact that it has IOG while some others don’t.
And before you mention the flight model, keep in mind it does not matter to a tank or to a SPAA that can’t even reach the KH38’s slinger. It would also be wise to keep in mind that it possesses one of the best AAM in the game as well (R-77-1), and in large quantities
1400 voters is already quite a nice sample.
Remind me again, what is this forum about ?
Yeah i think i won’t bother for too much longer at this point. Just wanted to point out that the reasoning behind keeping the KH38 MT is quite poor.
@MotorolaCRO i consider KH38 to be the most problematic AGM at top tier while i’m quite a heavy AASM IR user myself. If KH38 is removed, and as pointed out in the original post, i wouldn’t be opposed to AASM IR’s removal or nerf for the time being, even if it’s a missile i can sometime enjoy using.
Your personal opinion about vehicle’s balance shouldn’t really stop you from calling for immediate deletion of said, fake vehicle. Of course, if you’re really that worried about fake things being in the game.
it is actually scientifically valid and availabe for generalizing considering 800 per 150k brings less than 3% of statistical error. this is why polls have been added and are also included in vehicle suggestions.
this isn’t a flat earth forum this is war thunder forum.
yeah because gaijin would know that majority of player base are without war thunder forums and they make changes base on the war thunder forums community
and knowing gaijin they wouldnt do poll outside of it
and they dont have discord either and its not like they gonna make one when they have this anyway
theres a reason why things like “Planned BR changes” or “dev blogs” or etc etc are made in wt forums and not their youtube official pages or any other form of social medias that arent war thunder forums
theres a reason why suggestion is made here but not outside here
The problem here is that missiles can’t exist in a vacuum and can’t be balanced as such, as all of them are being carried by a vehicle that also has it’s own properties, which when combined lead to a BR placement.
I believe all top tier seekers are identical.
FM does matter for the overall efficiency of the vehicle and thus the BR placement.
I said it more than a couple of times that 30SM don’t really need 38MTs, so I hope this will be the last time I’ll need to repeat it.
Considering how big of a game we’re talking about and the fact anyone can vote doesn’t really make it that good of a sample.
then whats the point of suggestions or battle rating changes when majority of vote is not from the playerbase outside wt forums?
what if someone goes “i dont like that vehicle remove it” and they arent from wt forums?
war thunder forum users are war thunder players and this reflects the userbase. even when majority aren’t there like i said it is statistically valid with less than 3% of error rate (for example we can do validated science with a small amount of people from population polling and then calculating error rate and trend for that and it will be valid)
so no your moot is point, all they have to take into account is the sub 3% error rate
and the another point about flat earth forum was a false equivalency, it would be true if this war thunder forum was instead BAN KH38MT forum. a lot of kh38mt supporters wouldn’t be here and anti kh38mt people would be here however this is war thunder forum and this post is availabe to everyone regardless of their opinion and also used that way
you can clearly see people in both sides in their expected amounts
so yes, biased false equivalency and ignorance towards statistical validity
you dont understand that this sample size is actually quite huge with a small margin of error at 2.6%
its like saying “your opinion dont matter” because there isnt enough of you
so if i say to him “ur opinion dont matter as much as us” then im correct im guessing
The BR of the vehicles impacted can be toned down a bit if needed. The BRs are also separated between ground RB and air RB.
Furthermore, i may remind you that SPAA is supposed to be the first deterrent to CAS, not CAP. Disregarding the entire class for a FM issue is quite dubious
Not a single poll is valid if it accepts votes from people that might not even be in the target group.
I can vote on some Naval poll without even playing Naval, which surely should be an erroneous vote.
That’s like you let 80 year old people vote on your poll aimed at population aged 18 - 25.
I really thought a science oriented person would notice the flaws.
@MrBombastic8
They make changes based on their own data, they treat forum just like a light suggestion.
On YT and other sites they can’t enforce the “activity” rule in which only active players can make posts. Those sites also aren’t affiliated with Gaijin, unlike this forum.
It’s probably there mostly to make you think you’re important when deciding the BR of certain vehicles. The amount of vehicles that actually move in BR just from the suggestions is laughably low in comparison to total requests made.
were gauging peoples opinion on a weapon being added without sufficient proof. does not matter if they’re naval or whatever. if it mattered, it could be verified by checking public game profiles however this is something that would more exist as a predefinition of how things should be handled.
yet even then like i said, if you have a problem, profiles are public and naval players could be closed out if you have a problem with it
That is absolutely not how polling works and that should be obvious to everyone that spends more than 30 seconds thinking about it. Polling agencies spend a tremendous amount of work in building representative sample groups to which they then reach out to. They don’t just ask whoever happens to come through the door.
A poll on the forum is the opposite of that. Only a small fraction of the userbase uses the forum, opinions on the forum are disproportionally negative as people usually come here to complain, polls on specific things will mostly attract people that are invested in them one way or the other. Trying to judge the sentiment of the WT playerbase as a whole from one isolated forum poll is like claiming you could tell the outcome of a national election from polling the people that went to some random townhall in a random district.