Again, I think the difference in opinions is due to the difference in game modes
SPAA gameplay is mostly the same in RB and SB, but aircraft gameplay is quite a bit more difficult, especially in regards to CAS
Can confirm. In ground Sim Roland turns from a meh sam to a absolute menace
Funny.
This not mockup of Kh-38MT. This is mockup of Kh-38ME. Seeker is not specified. Mockup IS NOT evidence that missile IS NOT existing.
This is mockup of Kh-38ME with thermal seeker.
Many missiles were never used in combat, but that does not mean they did not exist.
This is not true. Anyone with eyes will see the differences between thermal and laser versions.
Kh-38ME with thermal seeker
Kh-38ME with laser seeker
Clearly not true and disinformation.
It is surprising how warmly the topic was received, much of it “proof of non-existence” being untrue, disinformation and misleading.
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This is what happens when you trust random docs you found on the internet or when you misinterpret them.
I just tested 38MT and no way in hell that you can get a target lock outside 13km, let alone close to 20km.
The 20km is against target with max “signature”.
Different types of vehicles have different signatures in the game.
But yes, the practical lock range is not 20km (though, for example against the SPAA you could lock the ground underneath it, since the SPAAs often do not move, and the Kh-38 also gets there quite quickly).
They are it’s just at a range of 20kms you begin to have issues with terrain and map issues. I have been able to get a 20km lock with even a maverick not that the anemic performance of the missile did much for it. I believe the issue is LOD I would often see tanks phasing in and out of the ground around that range which leads me to believe that is the issue. I had less issues locking onto boats at that range even speed boats.
Usually around 12km you will have favorable locks on tanks. sometimes more depending on the map.
That doc is from a pretty trustable source.
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No, you haven’t. At 20 km you can get a POINT lock, that means you’re locked on to the ground, not a tank. You only start being able to get a TRACK (tracking a vehicle) lock at ~13 km with any of the IR AGMs (against tank sized targets, at least). Test it out in a custom match.
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I said before that locking the ground isn’t really a reliable way to kill things, even AAs.
Yes, you locked the ground. If your lock isn’t moving with the target vehicle then you don’t have a tracking lock.
Good, then you just misinterpret it.
It’s a bit better with the Kh-38 since it’s faster, so it gets to the target tracking range or the target itself faster than other weapons …
the 20km is only possible in ideal conditions agaisnt large targets like ships, agaisnt a tanks you will not get a track over 13km, this is the same for all IR guided AGM, tv for example says that it is 12, but you can only get a track under 7km
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When it says “POINT” in the overlay/HUD it means it’s tracking the ground.
When it’s tracking a vehicle it says “TRACK”.
It’s literally saying “POINT” in your image. It can acquire the ground vehicle if it’s in the center of the FoV once the missile gets into tracking (TRACK) range (~13 km).
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welp you learn something new every day
good thing iam not a ground player and use the 38mt only occasionally for a2a
Can someone remind me again what is the max range of enemy AA ?
Oh, you are one of, them…
Idk how to say this but
yall have been yapping for 3k lot messages and
You said it exist we ask for 38mt existence proof, you dont have it and then derail the thread to “omg bro you dont know scheibe” derail the thread and start from ground 1
We said it doesnt exist, you said “omg bias bro!!!”
the tactic you are doing is very effective because everytime we mention it u immediately jump in and “bias bro” or “skill issue yall have it for years” “let us have something” “it exist trust me bro”
“theres mockups so it exist” “seeker was installed” ok what it is? it is functional or mockups? when we ask something yall ignore it because urself cant answer it and you have
ZERO EVIDENCE
ZERO PROOF
ZERO IDEA
ZERO LOGIC
ZERO COMMON SENSE
ONE HUNDRED PERCENT ARBITRAL BIAS
hell even the RU forums also put in question whether or not it exist and yall still go “it exist bro trust me bro you dont know nothing”
I literally have to make a list on who to trust and who is trolling because of these type of arguement
and then my post is definitely getting cut out of context to support ur zero logical arguement
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if you look at the URL its over 4100 messages but over 400 deleted for being off topic