Then you stance should be “other weapons exists within the game on the same or similar basis, as such i have no issues with the missile being in the game” alternatively “I have no issues with weapons of this level of known existence being in the game if the DEV’s have what they believe is a good reason for it”.
Bringing up specific other weapons and starting discussions around them and their capabilities or level of existence is the whataboutism.
Ye, that’s what they’re doing…
So when did Gaijin say they won’t add any more fake things from that point on ?
Around the time they’d removed the Panther II, the Coelian, and the Tiger II (105) from the game.
Thanks for sharing your opinion.
Saying that doesn’t make it any less true, but whatever makes you sleep easier at night shrug.
No it’s not.
It very much is, the settings aren’t comparable.
You forgot to compare platforms that are using said missiles which now you’re conveniently doing for tanks lmao.
And this is why they aren’t comparable. Regardless of platform, the Kh-38MT still is the fastest, the longest ranged, the most hard-hitting PGM-like weapon in War Thunder, nothing else comes close. A Hammer or AGM-65 even when fired from vastly superior platforms are nowhere near the level of the 38MT in terms of “balance”. I am PRETTY SURE somebody posted a comparison chart like last day, and it showed that the used platform doesn’t matter in the slightest, cus even when fired at 500kph, the MT is still so stupidly superior to everything else, that it being in a game is an insult to the playerbase.
So are other planes with Hammers and 65Ds.
You’re somewhat I suppose, Hammers might be getting nerfed soon tho, and 65Ds are still far infedrior to MTs
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I really doubt Gaijin is gonna remove or even address this. What are you guys gonna do? Find another game? Lol
If they’re gonna keep it though, I really hope they give it the same treatment as the hammer in the nerf department. If the hammer gets nerfed
oh, and we have lot of prove Brimstone in the game should have mmW seeker FnF too
then where it is? should be in the game by now
compare to KH-38MT it even more real it used in combat it has tons of document to back it up what it can do it have picture what it carries by actual jet
where are KH-38MT prove of its existence combat use or picture of the aircraft it carries?
Because what you ask is not “ridiculous”, its quite literally impossible.
So for everyone here:
Stop asking for something that can’t be done as your argument.
The mere fact of lack of evidence of existence IS inherently the “proof of non-existence” as non-existence is the de facto default.
You can only prove things one way, not the other.
Yes! They should.
Now, back to the topic
then you havent understood the topic at all.
@MythicPi has made a topic where he says that despite searching he wasnt able to find any bit of publically available evidence that Kh38MT exists or has been succesfully fielded on the platforms it is on ingame.
He has explained how theres no real evidence for Kh38MT being functional and used beyond the mockup that was available on MAKS and a brochure, but no physical photos of it being shown have been found.
You quite literally cant prove a negative, its the exact same as saying “prove god doesnt exist”. You cant prove non existence of something, you can however prove that something exists. And in the context of Kh38 the burden of proof now lies on those that say that kh38MT exists and has been fielded or put on a plane.
So yes, it is ridiculous of you to demand proof of non-existence of something not because “we really want to conceal Kh38MT because were all haters” but rather because it makes no logical sense
I dont think the ppl arguing in favour of the Kh-38MT have actually bothered reading the thread… I think they just saw the title and the poll and decided to start arguing in bad faith
There is no proof that a Bf 109 couldn’t carry an IRIS-T missile, ergo, the Bf 109 should get IRIS-T.
Good logic.
No offense mythic. But your initial assertion afterall was that it may not be existing, you literally set yourself up to have to prove a negative though
No sensible argument has come from yourself either tbh, given youve said stuff like this almost every time youve commented in this thread
Fw190 with amraams when?
Just as Kurt Tank intended
Soooo, excluding all the recent blabbering, do we have anything or not?
Just Yapping, no source that it does exist as of now
No assertions regarding it existing or not have been made in the original post. I’ve also explicitly requested that if anyone had proof of its operational existence, they should post it in the thread.
Not really, they have in essence said “May not exist, please help me look for proof that it does”.
he doesnt have to prove anything tho? its on gaijin who have put the missile into the game that now have the burden on proof
They have to prove from what source were they able to say that Kh38MT has been available on the 3 planes and how do they know that the Kh38MT does infact exist beyond the mockup. And since gaijin themselves say they cant use classified information and data, the source should be publically available where there shouldnt be issues showing it to their community.
Its the exact same thing as when people make bug reports on missing equipment for ingame vehicles, they have to prove that the vehicle has had the weaponry
Nope, still nothing. If anything, there is more evidence its likely not an operational missile, between the archival analysis of the ROE website, and the look at the last known archived version of the KTRV catalogue entry both pointing towards it not having gone beyond the early mockup stage.