Can we please stay on topic, the topic is not about other weapons or other vehicles its just about KH-38MT. Whataboutism is not only dumb, its off topic.
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What is this line of thought even? All the pylons are the same, as they all have the exact same wiring - if one can use it, so can the others. Do you know how this even works? You’re just wasting people’s time here by arguing off-topics instead of trying to prove 38MT exists.
The Kh-38ML and Kh-38MT are identical missiles with different seekers.
ML exists, MT doesn’t, simple difference.
You’ll have to prove that it doesn’t if you wanna claim that Su-30 cannot carry Kh-38MT.
Non-existence is the default state until proven otherwise. Now get looking for proof that MT exists ))
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Proof has to be “can it carry it or has it carried it” and not “prove to me it cannot carry it”
You cant prove a negative, you have to prove that XYZ has A) the capacity to carry and B) has carried ZYX before. This line of thinking is just pointless otherwise.
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Prove it.
You can’t, proving non-existence is quite literally impossible, it is up to everyone to prove that it does exist as that is the only thing that is possible to do of the two.
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Then prove that a tornado gr4 can use PGM…
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even if we prove it KH-38MT is not existing then what can happen I wonder?
remove from the game?
I find that it unlikely to happen.
The main way to prove its existence is to show a fully completed example mounted on an aircraft supposedly capable of carrying it, or just a fully functional example at all would be nice given the fact this is going nowhere
That isn’t possible. If a claim is that X doesn’t exist, the course of action is to try and find proof that it exists - there is no evidence that Kh-38MT exists, so the correct thing to say is that it simply doesn’t. Three people have explained this to you already, you should have been able to comprehend that simply asking us to “prove that it doesn’t exist” isn’t going to change anything, it’s you not wanting to admit to Kh-38MT not existing as that’d removed a massive advantage that Russia currently has over other nations.
The burden of proof lies with the party making the assertion.
So provide a proof that KH38MT does not exist.
If you can’t - case closed.
Whataboutism isn’t necessary nor appropriate. It’s also off topic.
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wrong thread for that buddy
I dont care about the tornado, this is Kh38 thread, and to prove Kh38MT is able to be used by Su30SM you have to bit better than “it can use Kh38MLs” or “prove it cant use MT”
Which is why pretty much everyone here is waiting for gaijin to say something about where they got the information that the Kh38MT exists beyond the mockup at MAKS and that the Su30/34/SM3 have fielded it. Kh38ML has been seen on Su34 in the current conflict that cant be said or the mods delete the comment, but MT as far as people have talked about in here hasnt been seen beyond a brochure and the mockup on MAKS
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What you are asking is impossible. you cannot prove non-existence.
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Honestly its ridiculous what they are demanding
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As was stated before. It’s literally impossible to prove a negative. The missile exist, the seeker probably exist. If it does exist, how many do they even have? It’s literally on the realms of classified info by now, and is probably a crime to get that information out
Yeah but that’s not entirely how it works. Reasonable suspicion that the KH38MT was never mounted and much less test fired were given. But unless you have access to all the information on the planet at the same time, you can’t prove it doesn’t exist. Moreover, gaijin’s standards have been explained to be that a weapon/vehicle would only be added if it existed and could be carried by a certain vehicles. It’s was done for a vast majority of the equipment added, and some equipments are still not added to this day because not enough information might have been given to the devs. In the case of the KH30MT, there is no trace of the source that would have proven that the KH38MT was ever used, much less that either the SU34 or SU30SM ever used them
When reasonable suspicions are given, sometimes it’s enough to warrant the other party to have to prove that said thing exist. In the case of the KH38MT, I think there is a compelling argument.
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Then I don’t see the point in this topic at all. It was created in order to remove one single weapon from the game. At the same time, attempts to draw attention to the fact that there are many such weapons in the game are called “whataboutism”. It’s not about making rules or trying to follow the rules, it’s about playing against them.
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Thats better than the handbag arguments that have been going on here, because what started as what was honestly an innocent information request has gone to this
-KH38 does not exists!
-Ok? Proof please
-OMG it’s ridiculous they demand proof
Thats basically this whole topic
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