The J7E issue

J7E for 11.3 is just like the F-16A for 12.3.

Fantastic dogfight performance.
Trash battle presence.

Both have kits that are countered by 1 flare in most circumstances, and you have to rely on enemy unawareness to do well in both. Relying on gunning people down won’t net you great and consistent results.

Fun jet. But I’d rather have teammates flying the 11.0 Mig-23M than the 11.3 J-7E

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First of all alvis try to understand what other said I meant decompression for higher br so if any plane that is over performing can be moved up safely without making it absolute useless . Because if you move j7e any high it will become useless

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Yes that’s what I meant

It’s a better MiG-21 F, which is far better than the other ones at this BR, so no reason why it can’t be better than Viggen.

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gee if only you could blow it’s doors off using the viggens speed

why is that surprising? the j-7e is a high thrust to weight double delta design from the 80s, while the viggen is a brick from the 60s with terrible thrust to weight

what makes you think its a hard counter

I can’t understand this. You can avoid the R-23R by accident. The PL-5B is at least usually unexpected because the average player doesnt C key

why? mig 23m also has trash match precense, the r23r are some of the worst radar missiles (theyre 7e equivalents, not e2/df equivalents). they pull worse than the e while taking longer to get their full pull, all the while having less overload. 23t tho is pretty nice. no acm whatsoever is a pain. 12 flares is also pretty terrible

well I’ll take it being better in everything besides rwr and gun

Because they work well enough to third party others that are busy dogfighting, while IR missiles are useless after 1 flare, and the mig23 can outrun most stuff and still has decent energy retention, also because of low AoA it forces new players to keep their speed when turning hard

that’s not true though?

i cant think of the last time i saw someone get a kill with the r_23r, i think you’re probably confusing them with the 24r which is vastly better. most kills i see people get in the 23m is the 23t or 60m

it also forces them to interact with the manual wing sweep feature which is prone to letting them overspeed and rip

it is or you would’ve listed how the MLD is worse, it’s pretty much just the j7e has a more easily to use gun (but less trigger time) and a better rwr.

no it isn’t lol it’s extremely simple and they literally automatically retract

the MLD is purely worse in WVR besides the fact you have all aspect missiles, but as you said these are a 1 flare. The only time the J-7E is in jeopardy of dying is if you don’t know how to notch or multipath a r24r

If you’re not going to be honest about the game mechanics I don’t really care to reply further.

by all means don’t, you clearly lack the experience

ragebait lol