The J7E, as basically any 10.3 or 11.3 player knows, is an absolute mess to fight. If you aren’t in a supersonic jet, they just run away constantly like an annoying kid, refuse to hit any shots, and flare away every missile thinking they are still going to win in a dogfight.
Recently, I was getting jumped by a J-7E and a Nesher, while I was in a Su-25. The nesher tried a head on, he failed, looped back around, and tried to engage me, at the same time as the J-7E was lining up his shot, I jinked and they both flew right past me, one Fox-2 off at the nesher, it’s a hit, he goes down. Slight turn to regain on the slow J-7E, fire a R-60M, just after burns and flares it away. I returned to airfield for a rearm and weapons change, and the game said I had left the match for some reason, I eventually lost on time.
It’s annoying gameplay, especially when they just sky climb and go behind everyone. It really needs to be moved up, not even because of the airframe, because of how good the PL-5B missiles are, literally ignoring flares on non afterburning engines. I think 11.7 might do the trick, and wouldn’t be mad with 12.0, as it, yes it, even can out dogfight a draken or viggen.
11.3 is already pushing it for an aircraft with only 4x rear aspect IR missiels and no SARH.
Given you have nearly as fast aircraft at 11.7 such as the Mig-23MLD with 4x All-aspect IR missiles and 2x of the best SARH of that BR. 11.7 would be too much and 12.0 would just be insane.
Everything sucks to fight in a full uptier. But just as much as 10.3 struggle against 11.3s. 11.3s struggle against 12.3s and 9.3s struggle against 10.3s.
Su-25 sucks to fight in the sub-sonic, flareless aircraft found at 9.3 and 9.7. Should it be increased to 11.0?
not really
NR-30:
GSh-30 (gun the Su-25 has that OP was using):
Vulcan (gun of alot of american stuff at the BR):
the difference of 90m/s between the NR-30 and GSh-30 is 324 kph
and between the NR-30 and Vulcan is the difference in muzzle velocity 900 kph
and that is ignoring that both the GSh-30 and Vulcan have a way higher fire rate
I mean at 11.3 the ns-30 is super good for a cannon on a fighter, really the only fighters that have a better cannon imo are probably the f-5 series of planes, the viggen gun, and ofc the f-4e gun (which u already mentioned)
which are the majority of things you see at that BR
the only cannon at that BR with worse balistics is the GSh-23 which atleast has a stupidly high fire rate to somewhat compansate for the lackluster balistics
it has 4 times the firerate of the NR-30, while having more than 4 times the ammo, means you have more trigger time
Iv not been here long but realised the people here are very special.
Crying over a jet that isn’t the fastest, has no radar missiles… but but it has PL5s, yes which are piss easy to flare and 60 rounds of a shiity gun is the weakest moan iv ever read!!!
Best air frame with 60 rounds of zero head on capability with guns. No head on missiles either. Not the quickest at a BR where 1 vs 1 dogfights are sadly not happening as often as ud like
See jak viggen x10 more than j7e. and f4E x100 more. Strange that people don’t seem to be using the most OP vic
j7E in end game though is so good. its just making it there.
me personally, I liked playing the j-7e more than either the f-4e or the 11.3 viggen, the fm is what makes it super good for me. those 2 planes can’t do anything but run away when facing a j-7e.
Same here, its one of my favourite jets. ilt will be a go to when im done with grinding but i do better in the F4E for eg as it gives you more options.
J7E can dogfight half the team at the same time but if they dont want to stick what you got…4 x pl5’s which are ez to evade… its a skill issue for anyone that cant as im not the best and only struggle with magic 2’s around this BR.
given its current armament, it’s fine at 11.3, but imo it’s a bit too powerful in a full down tier or even around it’s own tier. slightly uptiering it, giving it hms + pl8s at 11.7 would be perfect for it in terms of balance. viggen should also move up
