The J7E issue

j7e loses the turn fight easily it’s only advantage is light weight

Yesterday I was 1v2 with the J-7e vs a F-5 and a mig23.

The mig23 keept running away and turning back whenever I stopped following him, eventually I decided to go for the F-5 after evading a few of the mig23 missiles. (here I thought he spent his r-23r but he saved 1)

I started dogfighting the F-5 since I had a few seconds before the mig23 joined the furbal but the dude launched a r-23r at me and since I was mid dogfight at about 500-600kph while notching and chaffing in a dive I still got hit since I didn’t have enough speed evade it or to get out of the radar illumination cone.

I’m pretty sure it was a MiG-23M. I know the R-24R is much better, arguably the 2nd best SARH after the R-27ER, and its even faster than the ER at short ranges while having IOG too

GIVE IT PL8 and raise br as it has them IRL

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pl8 + hms and make it 11.7. good balance imo

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yea also we still dont go new blocks

The kfir is higher BR with 4x python3 (same missile), very fast but overall trash FM, no radar, no HMS. If gaijin thinks that thing belong to 12.0 there is no way a j7e with the same kit would be 11.7

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true, also f-4e 2000 which i also forgot. will prolly be 12.0 then

The kurnass 2000 with 6x python 3 is 12.3 IIRC. It’s the worst 12.3 I think. Makes no sense. Even at 12.0 it would be garbage.

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It, has none…

The J-7 is faster than it, and has better acceleration, are you trolling?

even higher than i remember lol,

this is wrong , viggen goes like 1470 on the deck

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And there’s an F5 with both at lower BR. 11.3.

I hate to be that guy but you’re massively overselling the r24r, it’s more equal to the aim7f but with faster acceleration and less range

imo better than 7f and 27r, but worse than the er ofc. 27r is such a mid missile

the aim7f has a range advantage I like and the r27r can pull more gs than the r27er because it’s slower so both still have niches but the r24r is a good middle ground missile

I think you mean smaller turning circle, r-27r usually pulls less gs than 27er because it’s much slower

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to be fair the f-5e is a lot slower and a much worse dogfighter than the j-7e, idk how it compares to the kfir never flew one. It’s a lot better than the k2k tho, that thing is rotting at 12.3

I mean the massive acceleration makes it impossible for the missile to hit in certain high g aspects because it simply would be going too fast, while the r27r is slow enough to maneuver properly so yes basically. it’s not really worth bringing for that reason though ofc, you trade like 15 miles of range I just have lots of experience with both

It’s a lot better than the aim-7f imho. Inertial guidance + way faster acceleration is more useful than the extra range of the aim7f, at long range your target has plenty of time to evade.

I totally forgot about the aim-7p, I might give that one 2nd place and then the R-24R since the 7p has datalink and iog. Meaning you can launch at 20km, unlock immediatly, and relock when missile is near the target for a surprise. I do this all the time with the R-27R and ER

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it might not be listed but the aim7f as well as other missiles like the aspide actually still have iog or functionally do as long as you maintain lock

That’s not correct, what you are talking about is when your radar is baited on chaff or lost a lock in a notch but the enemy plane is still within the painted cone of the radar illuminator. IOG will make the missile maneuver even without lock