i don’t want american planes to overperform. I want the J7D to be balanced. Y’all can’t read 💀🔫
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This is just pure speculative slandering. Anything else should die to a missile, even an r-60.
Eh?
KD looks more or less equal to the unspaded F5
Correct me if im wrong but 2 jets, same player, same BR, same KD proves the J7D is right where it should be.
Your logic is im going to somehow get progeessivly worse? Sounds like cope
Nope. And even then, the F-4E or radar-MiG are not dangerous for the J-7D. And there is not much the J-7 can face in a full uptier anyways. MiG-23 ML, A-10, F-111, Su-25, Kfir C2. J-7 can handle all of them and they are very rare, as you can face only 4 of them in a full uptier. Cant remember seeing the Kfir lately…
Adding the F-4S to that list as soon as the J-7 is 11.0 wont make it unplayable, i face F-4S pretty often in my F-5A(G) and guess what, just like all other F-4 they are mostly the first to be dead anyway. Even a J-35XS is more scary than a F-4S.
What is scary indeed are the 12.0 Mirages but even those are manageable, even tho they are not rare anymore because 11.0 indeed gets a ton of uptiers.
I dont want to throw my skill into this debate but thats true, as said, i aced two of them and i will ace more F-5s in the future. I never said
it’s bad, but the J-7D in comparison is purely braindead. Even tho i hate flying the F-5C today because every other F-5 is just so much better by now. It took me a good while to learn the F-5 but i got 4 kills in my very first game with the J-7D after not playing the game at all for half a year.
Being able to lock onto an F-5 frontally is not a skill issue, it is objectively true and happening in the game. It also happened to me very often, but it was 99% useless just like any other front aspect launched missile because you can 1-flare them and as a bonus you see it getting launched immediately. I still got killed sometimes by them but that’s just because the missile followed my flare and passed my F-5 so closely that its proxy fuse triggered.
Exactly. A J-7 losing to a F-5 is almost a 100% skill issue.
Exactly. And i wont ever. I just kill them by using my F-5, F-8 or J-7D because they are free food, just like Tornados and other junk flying around. There is maybe 1% decent F-4E players that are not sitting ducks on the deck and these are indeed dangerous, but even then, they fly high and get killed by team members trying to do the same 99% of the time. If these F-4E really come down after me there are 2 things possibly happening:
- They explode soon after
- They run away
Your K/D in the sacred F-4E: 2,36
Your K/D in the peasant J-7E: 3,92 (!)
ew
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J7D fights mig 23 most games.
J7E, jak viggen, various doritos.
Putting it to 11.0 amd its phantoms, tornado F3s and the rest of the radar slingers. And you want people to pay for the worst experience in the game?
Post your 10.7/ 11.0 F5 stats plz. Im interested to see the differnece.
My 11.0 F5 KD is half or something of the 10.7.
No problem.
My F-5C KDR is 2,17 and my F-5A(G) KDR is 2,65. The 11.0 F-5 is FAR superior thanks to its Aim-9L. The matches are not that much different and if you stay away from F-4S with their Surekill-Sparrows you get at least 2 kills in every match with that Swedish Monster.
My playstyle for F-5 is basically the same as with J-7D: disable afterburner when at 4000m altitude, let everyone overtake and rush into the fight and then drop on all the sitting ducks on the deck. With 2xAim-9L thats 2 guaranteed kills, with 4xPL-5B its 3. If you find a Phantom, Tornado or any similar stupid plane, go after it and launch a missile from 1km distance. Both Aim-9L and PL-5B basically ignore flares from F-4s when being 1km away, but the Aim-9L is even slightly harder to flare and it works slightly better in side aspect.
If they try to evade, they bleed speed and you can gun them down. Especially the F-4 flies like a boat and is easy to hit due to its size.
After the initial Furball you can mop-up the field with the slowly arriving A-10, Su-39 and Su-25 RP Pinatas or you can third-party some poor guys trying to actually dogfight anything.
And DON’T climb into space, it only makes you vulnerable for the radar singers. Wait for them to come down, at the end of the match they are mostly dead anyways.
The thing with the J-7D is that it makes this whole Job a lot easier. You may run from a F-5A dropping onto you, but no one runs from a J-7…
lol, lmao even
thanks for the compliment?
also may i point you to the hazing experience that is spading the f-4e - it literally has nothing on it stock, the whole plane relies on its missiles (which are, of course, a tier 4 mod)
why bring up kd at all? how does that prove anything? do you have nothing worthwhile to say?
yeah, everyone just two-circles them since the apes playing them have no idea what energy management is
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let the echo chamber go full reddit mode. There’s no options left but point and laugh at them, Ein.
Are these your uptiers? Three J7D’s plus more to be expected on the enemy team, facing flareless planes on each side.
Cheers for reply
I wanted the US F5 or similarTBH
The sweedish is carried by its missiles, like the AV8B.
The low CM count kills the F5 and you have to play passivly and have high disipline - not my style at all.
Kicker is you want people to pay £70 to basically be bullied half the game 🤨
This has to be ragebait @Boeing747Cultist, aint no way that you think that an F-16 should tank a
to the chest, this confirms yours ignorance at the game in general, half your post are filled with these wild takes.
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All F-5s profit from their missiles except the trash US F-5a and c and the japanese A lol. I dont have the time nor nerves to bother with garbage painful stock techtree planes. The CM count is fine, 60 is pretty good but they can run out if you also need some chaff. Thankfully J-7D has 72 CM and they never ran out for me so far :)
The F-5E is not much different from the A(G), it has worse missiles but a better fight performance, a Gunpod, AGM Mavericks and radar guidance for its guns. Its such a huge upgrade that its hard to believe your K/D is 50% worse than on your F-5A while my 11.0 F-5A(G) performs 25% better than my C, it should perform at least just as good or slightly better.
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Its the 11.0 man. With low cm count its a bad time for me. I like to get involved. Goinng straight into the furball and getting out alive is about as much fun i can think of in war thunder.
You are probably like ny friend who gets 3- 5 kd in everything he flys. He takes no chances… where as if theres a 1% chance i get the kill im going full send.
But still J7D at 11 = bullied. Its pretty crazy the difference 0.3 makes ateast to me anyway.
Good thing I don’t give a damn what statshark says? I’ve used the jets. I’m a well above average player. I have evaluated through my own long term experience that the F-4E is extremely competitive, and it is. Other experienced players will tell you the same thing.
If we put me in a F-4E and you in a J-7D, you’d lose 9 times out of 10.
F-4E is right there with them? You just don’t know what you’re talking about.
And? J–7D rips at lower speeds than F-4E and F-4E never has issues reaching the speed that the J-7D rips.
This isn’t a defense for just being simply and strictly better than most other 10.7s and being equivalent to over 50% of the 11.0s or better.
More like just play on the same level fair playing field.
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The community whines way too much about the F-4E’s radar. It’s extremely good for a gen3 non PD radar and can often get LOOK DOWN locks at LOW ALTITUDE even. It has no real issues when considering its limitations and playing around them.
No, it’s not. Still far and beyond one of the best guns.
The M39 is not better than the M61.
- I doubt this but can’t verify atm but 2. It wouldn’t matter because the m61 is still by far better.
He isn’t.
Yes, and the rest of the plane makes up for it.
Going by what has been said so far, absolutely not. No.
I only call people bad who present extremely false ideas as fact.
You can extend fine when you aren’t being tunnel visioned. If you are being tunnel visioned you can win the dogfight. The plane only suffers when you are being pressured by multiple jets and can’t extend away. Even then, easily gets off scot free if played well.
Yeah anybody can take a fast glance at my stats and find out i do just fine in game. Calling something L tier while not backing it up in any shape or fashion is hilarious btw.
Massive skill issue on the F-5s part. It’s not something you can do reliably.
This isn’t a real thing and doesn’t happen regularly. Freak incidents can occur.
Yeah, they are.
“Slow” being mach capable while having extremely good MER.
Only matters when it does, which is not the case here.
Lmao no. Long term yes, short term you’ll get ate by an F-5 trying this.
Lots of those in this thread
Always, without failure.
How? They are better than almost anything you put out lmao. The only bad part about what he posted was the win rate which isn’t controlled fully by the player.
They very much are. I eat J-7D’s constantly who fly higher than 500-1000m altitude.
What are you trying to say? The problem with the F-5 is being extremely cold which is factually is. All missiles have extremely difficulty getting locks on this jet compared to any other jet at the BR.
So you’re ignorant and willful about it?
This has never made any sense to say out loud, ever. I wafflestomp about 90%+ of players I come across in game regardless of what I’m playing and what they’re playing just because this game is about knowledge/skill in the air and I can outplay people. In my F-4E, I’m literally scared of almost nobody except full 12.3 uptiers where I have to face the Hornet and F-16.
Plenty of us here have good/excellent F-4E stats.
My F-4E K/D is 2.30… and that includes HUNDREDS of games from back when I was far worse at the game. The F-4E has always been a meta jet.
This is cringe. Anytime somebody fails to secure mass support for their idea they start crying about reddit. It’s funny because I know you’ve personally used the war thunder subreddit plenty before.
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Its not the same playing field.
I played 3 11.0 games in F5 last night to see if i was imaging how bad it is.
2 x 11- 12.0
1 x 10.7- 11.7
Just look.at this- and this is 90% of ganes at 11.0 !
6 mins into game, maybe less. Me with no guns/ flares and a friendly tornado are all thats left vs a full lobby of radar slingers. Level field is about as far from it as it gets
Until 12.0 goes to 12.3 then no.10.7 should be goimg to 11
saying that the f-16 was able to tank r27er’s was a fact and it was in fact AGAINST the f-16, not wishing it to tank r27ers again, you have been upgraded from r60mk to magic 2 in active context ignoration.
You’re suffering on the f-5e because it has only two missiles which happen to be the worst 11.0 missiles. China dominates and their jets are completely handheld. It’s like flying an Airbus, the plane does everything for you.
At this moment America is not at their best, at least from rank 7 and ahead. Their missiles for some weird reason keep hitting the ground or prioritizing friendlies, even aim7s, on friendlies that have NO closure rate compared to the incoming lock. It’s ridiculous. Russia as well, but they kind of recover past the yak41.
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lol
7 J7D’s minimum per match between 9.7 and 10.7, about none above 11.3.
lol
One is a mig21smt with better flares and frontal-side aspect stealthy missiles that travel as fast as bullets, the other is a kfir c7 analogue with chaff resistant missiles, the other is a better kfir c7 analogue with amraams that sits AT THE SAME BR as other amraam launchers with worse flight performance.
copium
Zero dialectic skills whatsoever. All you do is call better people than you shidders and lol around.
Get out.
Your problem is that you waste a ton of flares for no reason and you go too much vertical. And you didnt have luck because your team was gone.
Btw i had a pretty good fight against the new NF-5A in my last match, even tho it should be the most agile F-5 it still proved no match for my J-7D. He managed to run away once because i had no fuel left, but he lost the final duel. That guy knew pretty well what to do but he forgot to ratefight at one point. As soon as his NF-5 went below 700kph the match was pretty much over.
Didnt know that thing has 80 flares instead of 60, another small p2w buff for the french if that replay is correct :)
https://warthunder.com/de/tournament/replay/361566539005788340
btw i had a victorious battles wager active and guess what, i won all 10. I had a 12 battle win streak this evening.
Winrate of my J-7D is now 75%, K/D is now at 4,6. Good night everyone and better hope the next BR adjustments are coming soon :D :D :D
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