This plane is single handlely ruining lobbies. From hypersonic flare ignoring missiles to the flight performance in between a mig21 smt and a mig21 mf yet sits at the same BR as these, to the flares which given their position are among the most effective in the entire game. Oh and it has twice as many as other mig21s.
This aircraft alongside the J35XS and the Kfir Canard are ruining flareless aircraft (which also happen to have godawful flight performance as well). It should be put at 11.0 and the j7e at 11.3.
The only thing that counters it are the f-5c and f-5e (hardly, even against bad players) and the draken and kfir canard (because they have the flight performance of an 11.3 but no missiles or no flares)
Let’s not talk about how you have six of them on each team… at least.
neither does the r13m and i have many of these ignore enemy flares. A missile will ignore flares too if it is very fast. Case in particular for example: AIM9B’s being launched from f-104a’s against mig21s that are extending from a dogfight.
By the way, I think you wrote another topic which complains about J-7D, isn’t this a duplicate?
Yes because it’s more true and relevant today. Also, the j7d has better damage model than the rest of MiG21s.
I have all F-5s, aced 2 of them and i just bought the J-7D. All i can tell you is that the J-7D is absolutely beyond crazy. Its speed is ridiculous and it also turns extremely well. There is not a SINGLE aircraft that i fear, a dominance that i never felt in any plane before. Getting killed is almost always because of skill issues or because you are alone vs the rest of the enemy team. I get 2-4 kills in almost every match. I started playing this just 4 hours ago and already got a K/D of 3,5 and my crew is not even EXPERT.
You can outturn almost everything. If you cant, just run away because you are certainly a lot faster than those who turn even better. The missiles are amazing, only my F-5A(G) with Aim-9L has slightly better missiles, but only 2, and on BR 11.0.
The J-7 also pulls a ton of AOA. It does exactly what you want from it and pulls its nose to lead the gun like a cobra.
I say it here and now, you could put this thing to 11.3 and i would still fly it over anything else any day. I fail to see any aircraft until at least 11.7 that is substantially better than this… And trust me when i say Gaijin will nerf this monster into oblivion at some point. Having this on 10.7 together with my poor F-5C or the useless F-8E is unreal.
J-7E, F-5T/E FCU, or the F-4E are all better aircraft. 11.3 is way too high for a Mig-21SMT with better missiles, so it would be the best at 11.0. It’s just so oppressive because it gets a fair bit of downtiers, and very few full uptiers.
The E isnt really better with only 60 cannon rounds, the F-5T/E is basically on par or just very slightly better (i am not scared of them) and the F-4E is junk, one of the worst planes in the game. It flies like a boat and is just fast, even then, i managed to catch all F-4s running from me yesterday. They cant do anything against the J-7, except run away until my fuel runs out because the only thing a F-4 has is more fuel.
I aced the F-5C and its in a sad state due to its non-existing missiles. Its outclassed by now with all the new planes coming into the game with better performance at roughly the same BR (Hello F-5AG, NF-5A). Its not bad but seeing all enemies just constantly running away or the deltas outturning you is not great, together with invisible radar missiles due to missing J-Band. With the J-7 no one outturns you and they also wont run away and your missiles actually hit, even from 3-4km away. Oh, and it has J-Band rwr…
About the F-8E: i dont know where that myth comes from that makes it the legend that it is, i used it quite often. Its wobbly awful aim together with bad missiles makes it borderline useless, as the game cant handle its rudder. Its also not exceptionally fast or maneuverable. Also its radar is the worst i ever saw and no J-Band rwr. I rather fly my T-2 Early on 10.7 than this thing. T-2 has no flares but the rest is 200% better. Luckily i can use it on 9.7 to slap everyone there thanks to BR compression. Its the J-7 from below…
if youre trying to use the missiles on the f5c then youre doing something wrong
the chinese f5a has had aim9Js since it was added, its doesnt matter because the f5 is at 10.7 because it excels as a gunfighter, not because of its missiles, and the f5ag only mark of “better performance” is the 2 aim9Ls which is great sure but is maximum 2 kills and then youre just an f5a
they can outturn you once, then the f5 just wins
mark1 eyeball is and always will be the best missile warning system
aim9Ds are not bad, theyre very good especially at 10.7
good thing you dont need it, because youre using aim9Ds
the only time ive ever beaten an F5 in an extended 1v1 in any mig21 is when they make mistakes
If you have a fighter on 10.7 that has no missiles, no speed and bad RWR then there is something wrong (?)
Thats 2 kills more than the F-5C, which is quite a damn statement in Air RB, isnt it?? (Also → +J-Band rwr)
That is simply wrong, i dont know where that myth comes from. The F-5A/C makes one sharp turn and falls out of the sky. It only wins in a wide rate fight, if the J-7 is dumb enough not to lightspeed away from the flying brick.
Okay, so we can delete all rwr ingame because it’s useless anyway :)))
They are. Even on 9.7. Hell, i rather use Red Tops. Or just play the J-7D on the same BR instead with 4 Aim-9L equivalents, working rudder and speed and rwr?
99% of F-5s make only sharp turns so its an auto-win, at least with the J-7D. And if they dont, just press W and you go to space. Their leaf blower engines will cause them to be slow enough that your team third-parties them anyway.
theyre not exactly guaranteed kills and you pay for that by being able to fight 12.0 planes
oh yay now you can see when mig23s fire missiles at you awesome
what on earth are you on
what on earth are you on, the f5c can maintain a turn at about 500kmh near indefinitely and is far better off than any delta wing aircraft at a similar speed
yeah at 10.7 it kinda is
hmmm now i will proceed to list all the planes at 9.7 that get aim9Ds which have given you this knowledge
nothing
they are not aim9L equivalents in any world
between the f8e and the j7d only one has a radar that can tell you precisely what direction you are being pinged from, and if a radar missile has actually been fired at you, and its not the j7d (which only has a 4 segment rwr, and I suspect you are the first person who has ever called that “good”), in fact the j7d just has a chinese version of the spo-10, which is a famously bad RWR in warthunder, so stop obsessing over J band detection, of which only one plane that you can fight has both a J band radar and good radar missiles (the mig23ML series), because there is no world in which the j7d has a better RWR than the F8e
99% of mig21 players only make sharp turns so its an auto-win, at least with the F-5. and if they dont just keep turning and theyll fall out of the sky eventually. their delta wings will cause them to be slow enough that your team third parties them anyway.
see? useless analogy, ever plane has different strengths and weaknesses, maybe you should consider learning them?
F-4E is junk, one of the worst planes in the game. It flies like a boat and is just fast, even then, i managed to catch all F-4s running from me yesterday. They cant do anything against the J-7, except run away until my fuel runs out because the only thing a F-4 has is more fuel.
You are forgetting against one of the biggest advantages the F-4 has. It has deceptively good radar missiles. This means that most of the time the J-7 will be dead or defending even before the merge in high altitudes. Should they manage to engage you in a dogfight you can simply run away, the F-4 is noticeably faster at almost every single altitude (with the J-7 only having a slight advantage over 8km), please check statshark if you doubt me. The F-4 is absolutely a lot better and I suggest you play the F-4 before making wild claims otherwise.