Because it only has rear aspect IR missiles which greatly limits its capability.
Side aspect to be specific, front aspect when it’s phantoms and mig23s/mig29s.
Because the J-7D isn’t considerably better than the 11.0 Mig-21Bis.
That’s why it has better missiles and slightly better top speed than the mig21 mf?
Its radar is not a Doppler radar, and it’s actually quite bad. It has no ACM mode and it’s very weak overall. The J-8 is also much worse than the Mig-23ML at 11.7.
my bad i mistook it for the j8f. J8B doesn’t even have acm mode.
The J-7D is spammed for half a year now lmao. This sale made the spam just worse.
Thanks. This sums it pretty much up. With the J-7 on the other hand you can do whatever you want without trying to counter your damn elevator, trying to sustain mach 0,9. Almost no one does this anyway, which is one reason why most fights against F-5s are an auto-win just like you auto-win against basically anything else. Well, except J-7E and maybe that new pay2win NF-5A.
Players being scheissers and having bad stats, losing to phantom E in a reversal and then lecturing you how to play with a diplomatic “skill issue you just suck” never cease to make the community wholesome. Also people talking about premiums as if they were in the same status as they once were back ten years ago. I keep hearing people say that the f-5 damage model is too op, well i remember bringing a bomb on the f-5c and toss it mid air and shoot it within the range of stalled out aircraft and get the “surprise!” award and still fly well enough to kill three more people. Now if you sneeze too close to the f-5 you will send it spinning. A yellow wingtip will result in a stall the moment you tap the elevator (needs a sutter twist fr) and i remember once people missing the entire vertical stabilizer and one elevator and still make it to the airfield at transonic speeds, now losing just the part of the rudder will send you into an uncontrollable tail waving that will get you kissing the ground in no time.
Speaking of phantom, both f-4 and mig-21 should get their flap lock removed. It is really annoying you cannot deploy your slats or your flaps above 400kmh IAS, the f-4e was such a beast when you could deploy landing flaps and fold them back quickly all things considered the phantom E was absolutely busted at slow speed and could rate as hard as an f-5e with some flap management. Same for the MiG21 it could dodge aim7e2 df or do the kurwa maneuver (like a cobra but with a drift), alas losing all speed lol.
If you pay attention, you will see that my name its Peek-a-Booツ, not Leinadmix, even though he told me about you, your post and video its just the fruit of pure ignorance about how IR missiles, IR signatures and flare patrons works, or ignorance at the game in general.
They are EXTREMELY cold and are some of the coldest engines in the game. Are you not aware this game doesn’t use engine heat directly to determine IR sensitivity? If you’re not away of the F-5’s ability to simply not be locked onto or to 1 flare any missile then you just don’t pay attention.
Massive skill issue. The jet is one of the coldest planes in the entire game competing with props.
No. The F-5C has some of the best horizontal MER in the entire game. You can keep up with planes that have 50% higher T/W in maneuvers.
why would it ever want to, its a turnfighter
This has never mattered in almost any fight I’ve ever been in with an F-5 involved. The F-5 holds energy extremely well.
You have to be seriously trash at the game to say this. Full stop I have no doubt you are awful at the game. Sorry. The F-4E is quite literally one of the best 11.3s and competes even in higher BR lobbies due to its excellent qualities.
No it’s not. You just have no idea how to fly and are ignorant to tactics that don’t involve clicking 2 buttons to get the free kill.
like I said, you’re just bad
its very agile.
good thing you dont use it
F-5C has about 36 other strong ass qualities going for it to where these downsides dont matter.
For a bad player yeah
You are simply wrong. Everything you’ve said that I’ve commented on has been laughably incorrect.
You’re just trash. I don’t know what else to say. These missiles are good and get kills.
These planes do extremely well in one circles against anything but delta wings. If you try to force 1 circle on the F-5 it can also ratefight just about anything and also win that.
Nope. Not how that works. I get LOOK DOWN attacks at FIVE HUNDRED METERS ALTITUDE sometimes.
This is nonsense.
Not how that works. J-7D belongs at 11.0. J-7E is 11.3.
Did you forget the BR that exists between 10.7 and 11.3?
I wonder why the afterburning F-104 spamming flares without tactic couldnt flare the missile?
I agree somewhat, except its VERY EASY for the F-5 to FORCE itself upon you because of its relatively high speed for being a “slow” plane, combined with its ability to maintain energy extremely well in dogfights.
Probably because they don’t actually play like A6Ms and have their own unique playstyle.
No, it’s not. F-4E is simply stronger.
You are doing the same currently. You are no better. In fact you’re worse because you’re just sitting here whining and crying about somebody else making topics you don’t have to click on.
how is the 23ml harder to defeat than the f4s
You also forgot to mention it doesn’t beat the gd f-16
No. Not how that works at all.
What does this have to do with the 21bis
What? I know of no ahistorical qualities about these in game. The F-4E can drop combat slats at any speed and it greatly increases agility. You never want to use landing flaps in a dogfight with the F-4E unless you are quite literally stalling out and need to raise nose.
The J-7D can only attack from behind, and when you face it, it is no threat to you. If you think the J-7 is strong, you never look behind you. You can’t be a master in the game like this.
I’m so pissed off at work …the question is… should i put it on speakers and start punching people till they start thinking? In hopes i will push the button to kickstart their brains???
I’m seriously fuming…, and i alt-tab and i see the song… is it an omen?
This nonsense basically applies to any plane in that BR Range except the occasionally downtiered MiG-23ML, F-4S or JA37C with radar slingers. And guess what, even the J-7 surprisingly has a cannon. I managed a 3,6 KDR and 70% winrate within 3 days now while watching Squid Game and not wearing headphones at the same time. The J-7D is too strong for 10.7 and i have a feeling it is maybe too strong for 11.0 either, but we will see that after its BR adjustment. This thing is unkillable if you pay a slight bit of attention and yes, it also slaps these dumb F-4Es:
All F-4 in the entire game except the 12.3 F-4EJ Kai have ABYSMAL global stats (Statshark) with only around 0,5-0,7 kills per spawn and less than 1 KDR while the J-7D, that is mostly spammed by premium noobs, has 1,0 kills per spawn and over 1.4 KDR. So… what qualities of these Boats are you exactly talking about? If thats one of the best 11.3s then thats a sad state for 11.3.
Or maybe you are just making up stuff, because there are actually good performing 11.3 vehicles like J-7E and JA37C.
Also the J-7D accelerates faster than the F-4E until both reach ~1600kph TAS, especially from 4000m altitude onwards but has a slightly lower top speed, thats the reason why its no problem to catch them most of the time. You don’t even need a significant energy advantage. Try to catch anything or run from anything in a F-5.
So at 11.0 you are vs full lobbies of radar slingers.
Also the F5s are better dogfighters. MIG 21 gets radar missiles. F8 - radsr missiles.
So whats the issue?
You all want people to pay to struggle.
PS before some goon says look at your KD bla bla. Well i bought the harrier AV8B and its already my highest KD jet… harrier OP and needs a 12.0 BR i guess?
your post and video its just the fruit of pure ignorance about how IR missiles, IR signatures and flare patrons works, or ignorance at the game in general.
This is a really serious exaggeration. Saying that you ignore my points and the video showing a non irccm missile skipping flares is not an exaggeration, and you responding defensively by attacking me is also not an exaggeration.
You claim I am a complete ignorant at the game in general, but you’re reluctant to even say something beyond “they’re the same” and “they have no irccm” instead of explaining (addressing my points) why some irccm free missiles ignore flares. But looks like you’re as much of an ignorant as I am as you decide to lower your level to simply throwing ad hominems😉 And don’t worry, I knew the video would mean nothing to you.
You have to be seriously trash at the game to say this. Full stop I have no doubt you are awful at the game. Sorry. The F-4E is quite literally one of the best 11.3s and competes even in higher BR lobbies due to its excellent qualities.
In defense of Einheit, the f-4e has great missiles but a lackluster radar. And after the serious drag nerf on ammo, the f-4’s vulcan is in quite a sad state, the m39 is slightly better mostly because of the platform it is in. GSh23L reaches further.
No it’s not. You just have no idea how to fly and are ignorant to tactics that don’t involve clicking 2 buttons to get the free kill.
He’s literally better than you in all of the F-5 variants.
like I said, you’re just bad
The aim9e at 10.7 is objectively bad. Anything below 10.7 carries 20g missiles. The T-2, the Hunter F58, the F8 Crusader, the MiG21 SMT, the Ayit… and the other f-5s that stay at 10.7. Again, Einheit is better than you.
why would it want to, it’s a turn fighter
Rich from you who is calling everyone bad. You may extend for multiple reasons and extending is something obligatory in jet matches, mainly because you need speed, positioning, awareness, and monkeypulling is not going to grant any of these three things. The fact you’re unable to understand this is obvious, because you’re just aggressively trying to dominate anyone who disagrees with your L tier takes.
Massive skill issue. The jet is one of the coldest planes in the entire game competing with props.
Did you also ignore the part where I said that I also killed flaring f-5s head on with r60m’s and even mig23s with aim9e? Or probably that was in another topic, idk i don’t spend the whole day in the forums to call people bad like you do.
it used to face f-16 and do good (well, mostly because back then f-16 radar could be notched by simply changing direction)
The F-5s are not better dogfighters, they’re slow, have less thrust and can easily be spiraled or one circled vertically, either way they will run out of energy and fall of the air. They’re excellent rate fighters, but that’s pretty much it, you can literally just not engage and furtherly put the reversal once you manage to drag one of them away from the cluster.
PS before some goon says look at your KD bla bla. Well i bought the harrier AV8B and its already my highest KD jet… harrier OP and needs a 12.0 BR i guess?
First of all. If you say the f-5 is better, why are you worse on it than on migs? Second of all. Your top aircraft is the j7d, thanks for proving me right. Third of all: I don’t see AV8B anywhere.
