The J7D is too frequent, too low in BR and too strong to make the 9.7-11.7 bracket remotely fun

[Boeing747Cultist]

your post and video its just the fruit of pure ignorance about how IR missiles, IR signatures and flare patrons works, or ignorance at the game in general.

This is a really serious exaggeration. Saying that you ignore my points and the video showing a non irccm missile skipping flares is not an exaggeration, and you responding defensively by attacking me is also not an exaggeration.

You claim I am a complete ignorant at the game in general, but you’re reluctant to even say something beyond “they’re the same” and “they have no irccm” instead of explaining (addressing my points) why some irccm free missiles ignore flares. But looks like you’re as much of an ignorant as I am as you decide to lower your level to simply throwing ad hominems😉 And don’t worry, I knew the video would mean nothing to you.

[Boeing747Cultist]

You have to be seriously trash at the game to say this. Full stop I have no doubt you are awful at the game. Sorry. The F-4E is quite literally one of the best 11.3s and competes even in higher BR lobbies due to its excellent qualities.

In defense of Einheit, the f-4e has great missiles but a lackluster radar. And after the serious drag nerf on ammo, the f-4’s vulcan is in quite a sad state, the m39 is slightly better mostly because of the platform it is in. GSh23L reaches further.

No it’s not. You just have no idea how to fly and are ignorant to tactics that don’t involve clicking 2 buttons to get the free kill.

He’s literally better than you in all of the F-5 variants.

like I said, you’re just bad

The aim9e at 10.7 is objectively bad. Anything below 10.7 carries 20g missiles. The T-2, the Hunter F58, the F8 Crusader, the MiG21 SMT, the Ayit… and the other f-5s that stay at 10.7. Again, Einheit is better than you.

why would it want to, it’s a turn fighter

Rich from you who is calling everyone bad. You may extend for multiple reasons and extending is something obligatory in jet matches, mainly because you need speed, positioning, awareness, and monkeypulling is not going to grant any of these three things. The fact you’re unable to understand this is obvious, because you’re just aggressively trying to dominate anyone who disagrees with your L tier takes.

Massive skill issue. The jet is one of the coldest planes in the entire game competing with props.

Did you also ignore the part where I said that I also killed flaring f-5s head on with r60m’s and even mig23s with aim9e? Or probably that was in another topic, idk i don’t spend the whole day in the forums to call people bad like you do.

[Boeing747Cultist]

it used to face f-16 and do good (well, mostly because back then f-16 radar could be notched by simply changing direction)

The F-5s are not better dogfighters, they’re slow, have less thrust and can easily be spiraled or one circled vertically, either way they will run out of energy and fall of the air. They’re excellent rate fighters, but that’s pretty much it, you can literally just not engage and furtherly put the reversal once you manage to drag one of them away from the cluster.

PS before some goon says look at your KD bla bla. Well i bought the harrier AV8B and its already my highest KD jet… harrier OP and needs a 12.0 BR i guess?

First of all. If you say the f-5 is better, why are you worse on it than on migs? Second of all. Your top aircraft is the j7d, thanks for proving me right. Third of all: I don’t see AV8B anywhere.

[pooqich]

@Einheit_101

F-4E is junk, one of the worst planes in the game

delusional statements made by utterly deranged, you clearly have never played that plane

[tokerstar]

The search is funky atm, probs why u dont see it.
I haven’t? un-spaded grind as well. The US F5 is way harder to use as it vs full radar slinger lobbies. 11.0 is one of the worst Brs in the game IMO - not so much better than whats under but miles worse than whats even 0.3 br above.

I dont even fly the J7D any more as i completed the full tree. When I stop the grind and just play for fun it will be the J7E all day. I honestly dont seem to have any trouble vs the J7D. The only jet that’s annoying around this BR is the MIG 23

[SilentTracker]

Ah yes, another repeat post that comes along after every sale. See you again in Oct/Nov!

Something really needs to be done about this

Guys, it happens for a little while after every sale 😂 It will happen again in Oct/Nov when the Anniversary Sale goes live. Try not to stress about it too much, and/or play a different BR bracket until it cools off. The money the company gets from the sales helps keep the server hamsters fed so we can all keep playing. It comes with the territory.

@Stockholm_Blend

Currently, J-7D shows up constantly not only because it is a solid option but also because of a 50% discount.

This ☝️

[pooqich]

so after hearing this anti-phantom propaganda and slander ive decided to play the god given KING of 11.3 that is the F-4E

i was not disappointed, the hordes of clueless idiots that think this plane is somehow “bad” or a “brick” net me those 6 kills

@Einheit_101

actually good performing 11.3 vehicles like J-7E and JA37C

try actually engaging someone in a j-7e, nobody will ever dogfight you lmao, everybody knows how strong that planes FM is
ja37c? apart from 2 free kills on clueless reds its just a free kill for anyone with a brain

the only thing that can bring down the godlike phantom is another phantom

[InverseBits]

This is a rough image explaining this particular situation. The missile is almost going parallel to the plane which makes it look more towards the front of the plane and consequently ‘ignores’ flares, because they are simply not in the seeker. This is possible with a lot of missiles. It is more of a situation thing rather than a missile thing.

I recommend looking at the replay using the sensor view to see where the seeker is actually looking.

[ares94r]

All aspects dude you don’t have j7d do you ? Since when did it got all aspects if u moving it to 11.0 move mig 21 bis and luzur to 11.7

[osagg]

why wouldn’t precisely a MiG21 SMT with better missiles not be 11.3

Because it has worse flight performance than the bis, nor does it get all aspects

the J7E … outperforms the f-16c

No reason to compare it to the 16C but it could go up

why wouldn’t the J8B be 11.3 if it’s basically a better Kfir Canard with chaff resistant SARH and a doppler radar

The kfir canard wins any low speed fight or scissors against it
It does not have a pulse dopple radar

You have little clue what you’re talking about and likely have little to complain so much when the issue at hand is only that the J7D and J7E should both move up by a single br step.

[ron_23]

@osagg

J8B is 11.7

it is 11.7 in sim

and 11.3 in ARB

[pooqich]

@osagg

J8B is 11.7

nah

@osagg

It does not have a pulse dopple radar

its also an abhorrent radar, one of the worst ones on that br range, it even lacks an ACM mode

[osagg]

mb, that’d be it

[Circleati]

@Boeing747Cultist

Did you also ignore the part where I said that I also killed flaring f-5s head on with r60m

The f5a and c both shoot flares directly behind them so if the missile is flying towards the target it would proxy on the f5 before it even saw the flares, theres no reason to act like its because of some black magic

[TheArcticFoxxo]

Certified Aussie post.

Git gud.

[ares94r]

Mannnnnnnn i read so many post of this dude . Dude will complain about j37,j35, r60 j7d . F16 not tanking r27er anymore f5 is trash . He can kill j37 with aim9e on headon this is his second j7d complain jeez man

[TheArcticFoxxo]

He’s a certifiable Vamilad, don’t take anything he says as if he’s sentient and capable of critical thought.

[Stockholm_Blend]

Honestly, seeing J-7D complain posts from Some USA mains are always funny.
They always claim that J-7D should be nerfed. (Itself might be the truth. J-7D is overperforming and everyone knows it.)

However, the reasoning behind it is often flawed, rendering the claim overly weak.
claming PL-5B/PL-7 as

hypersonic flare ignoring missiles

as an example.

Also, they underrate American jets, which fight against J-7D, drastically. :/

Yes, J-7D is a problem, and it is ruining the lobby.
But blaming J-7D as the only reason for ‘ruined 9.7-10.7BR’ is truly diabolical.
Especially when American jets like F-5/F-8 also contribute to ruining the lobby.
As a joke, this topic sounds like another American bias coping post to me.

[ron_23]

@Stockholm_Blend

But blaming J-7D as the only reason for ‘ruined 9.7-10.7BR’

lets not forget the subsonic all-aspect slingers

[Peek-a-Booツ]

@Boeing747Cultist

You claim I am a complete ignorant at the game in general

Is this you saying that the F-5s have hot engines?

@Boeing747Cultist

the engines aren’t cold, they reach up to 700 celsius easily.

Or maybe it is you demonstrating your ignorance? Or both

@Boeing747Cultist

you’re reluctant to even say something beyond “they’re the same” and “they have no irccm” instead of explaining (addressing my points) why some irccm free missiles ignore flares. But looks like you’re as much of an ignorant as I am as you decide to lower your level to simply throwing ad hominems😉 And don’t worry, I knew the video would mean nothing to you.

Planes with the J-79 engines are more easy to kill with an IR missile bc of the engine having more thrust, the flares are right behind the afterburner, killing people on the head on with R-60M are easy bc of the 5º of FoV of the seeker, when you drop flares, the missile is looking at literally both, your plane and the flares, therefore going in a strait line, on the video you sent, if the F-104 had any idea of how to play, he would have turn off the afterburner for half a second to lower the engine power and pop 1 flare, the R-60M would have missed