When this thread was created. The J35XS was 11.3 iirc and saw them all the time. I remember absolutely bullying 3 J35XS in an SB match in the Tornado F3.
I dont think it should have gone below 10.7, but that is another matter.
F-104 might have a poor RWR, but its got an RWR and more CMs (cant recall how many off the top of my head) and is the fastest aircraft at its BR. Yeah, probably shouldnt be 12.0. But would destroy in a downtier if went too low.
I don’t recall it ever going above 11.0, at least in air RB
F-104 might have a poor RWR, but its got an RWR
it literally only tells you if something is pinging you, doesn’t tell you where from or if its a hard lock vs a missile, nothing useful for its BR
The Mig-23, and the F-111 are faster, and probably have better flight performance overall.
11.3 could work, since I don’t think it’s that much better than the J-8B at 11.3. Both have the same SARH missiles, but the J-8 doesn’t lose its gun in order to take them. And the J-8 is definitely the better aircraft if you take missiles out of the equation.
Yeah ,was 11.3 immediately following the decompression
Then yeah. 11.3 would probably be fine for it. Just about. But would still hate to encounter them in some 10.3/10.7 aircraft, so still worht being cautious.
yeah but then the normal F-104S is also at 11.3 and only has aim9Js, vs the aim9L on the ASA
Yeah, so it probably shouldnt go down that far then. 11.7 would probably do.
That’s what I say, J35SX should never meet the F-18 lmao.
It just show how much the J35XS is badly uptiered most of the time.
I revive this because it’s still relevent, I bought it two weeks ago and I keep being shot down by missile totally invisible to it when it’s only way to get kills is to fly high.
It’s totally preposterous.
You buy a premium jet to get killed without being able to even see the missile coming, by those phantom II, mig21 and now even the F-18.
All you have are rear aspect missiles that ask very specific tactics to get behind your prey, which is flying high, because the engine is not very powerful either and it bleeds speed a lot.
You got yourself in a situation where you turn into a free kill when you do the only thing this plane does well.
It’s beyong stupid.
But you cannot see F-18. The only SARH slingers that you can see in the J35XS is things like the F-4Es, which dont have PD radar and therefore you can avoid by staying within ground clutter
theres a lot of planes that shouldnt be meeting hornets atm. they should all be moved up considerably
I just saw that it killed me, I didn’t see its missile coming, and trust me, I look.
You know when you get killed, the game tells you who killed you with what, that’s how I know.
But again. How?
The highest BR you can see in a 10.3 aircraft is an 11.3.
The F-18 is a 12.3 aircraft. The J35XS would have to be 11.3 before you would even start to see F-18s in full uptiers
I don’t know, in the sweden tree it’s even BR 14.
I guess they are forced into lower BR if there aren’t high enough BR planes playing. Just a guess.
Anw that’s just a detail because many planes already have those missiles at lower BR which are a total child play to kill a J35XS with. Something must be done about it, I’m not sure what.
No, you will never ever see a vehicle that is more than 1.0 BR away from you. Whether that be uptier or downtier. It is impossible.
Again, no. The biggest thing you have to worry about at 10.3 would be All-aspect IR missiles. the SARH missile found at that BR are incredibly weak and the radars are useless against anything near the ground due to ground clutter. The only way you are dying to them is by climbing and giving them easy shots.
Given the J35XS shouldnt have been lower than 10.7. The fact its 10.3 is already WAAAAY more than you need.
Dude, you know we can be uptiered normally up to 11.3 when being 10.3, right?
So there are a lot of SARH missile starting even at BR 11 and even 10.7 with the J7 D now. What are you talking about?
Also how can you be so sure about what you say, I just saw it with my own two eyes, your knowledge is theoritical at best, I just saw it tonight and that’s what triggered me coming to write here.
Right and the F-18 is 12.3.
The best SARH slinger (and therefore the worst thing you have to worry about) at 11.3 is the F-4E which doesnt have a PD radar. Just stay near the ground and their radars wont be able to lock onto you. At all.
J-7D doesnt have a single SARH missile. PL-2, PL-5B and PL-7 are all rear-aspect IR guided missiles.
Facts are facts. If it really happened. Please provide the link to the replay
Dude, you don’t read me or what?
Staying near the ground with a JS35XS is total bullshit, it can’t kill nothing like that.
It’s slow to accelerate, can’t dogfight without losing it’s speed real fast, the only way to kill is the boom and zoom solution. So you HAVE TO be around 5000 meters high and use the fall acceleration to get close AND in the back of you ennemy because only rear missiles. And that’s how you get locked by those SARH missiles you should never meet either with such a plane.
If you don’t do that and keep flying low, you just play fodder for the other planes because yes, also, only one machine gun on one side that’s not effective at all and hard to aim with.
Yes it happened for the hornet and no I didn’t press the save button, that’s it.
So you have been giving 11.3 SARH slingers an easy shot and complaining about it? Got it.
Nothing can be done about this. J35XS should be 10.7 not 10.3 anyway. So it wont go down further and the others cannot go up. So you’ll just have to learn to deal with it
You dont have to press anything. Just find the match you claim to have been uptiered to a 12.3 match in a 10.3 aircraft.
And yes, it’s not the J7 D but the F-4C that has SARH at BR 10.7, but I’ve met up to the F 4j at BR 11.7 with my lil J35XS.
So your theory about the +1 -1 BR doesn’t always apply in reality.
Being shot with SARH only happens in uptiers, and you can’t just throw a “learn to deal with it” when the whole design and gameplay of this plane goes around the strategy I told you about.
Also claiming it should be 10.7 is totally gratuitious and oblivious of every facts I related about this plane.
Saying such biased bs out of the blue seems only to target to get more fodder for you when you face the J35XS. That’s quite bad.
I’ll look into it tomorow for the match, if I can find it this way I definately will.
Aim-7Ds can be easily defeated kinematically and again, just use ground clutter to prevent a lock in the first place.
Litereally impossible. Its not a “theory” it is a fact.
Its a supersonic aircraft, that dogfights well with 6x Aim-9Js. There are many 9.3 aircraft that would be DOA in any fight vs a J35XS. Heck I can think of a number of 9.7 aircraft I wouldnt want to see a J35XS in.
You are exclusively looking at what the J35XS is like against uptiers but failing to consider what its like to face in an uptier.