China will never be a major nation simply because it is not the Big Three.
America: America is a major nation simply because of the amount of “America #1” nationalists that swear the P-51 was the best fighter, and the Abrams is the most immortal tank in the world.
Germany: Germany is another major nation just because of the amount of fascists that love the Austrian Painter, or at the very least, love German WWII equipment.
Russia: Russia is a major nation simply because of the Tankies/Communists that swear the Soviet Union was God’s gift (how ironic since they were Atheist).
It is all based on the large player base.
France, despite being a major exporter, will never be a major nation since nobody really plays France.
Italy, despite its roots in fascism, will never be a major nation simply because the German tree is far better, plus the Italians were useless to Germany in 1939-43 (and are the brunt of every WWII jokes, fascists, Commies, and everyone else alike).
China, despite being Communist, will not be a major nation simply because nobody really plays China. Why play China when they are treated as a copy-paste nation between two other countries that get their hands held for them.
Israel will never be a major nation, since the majority of the player base doesn’t even recognise them as a tech tree (or a nation).
Problem is that is a catch 22, Gaijin will not put effort into nations unless people play them, but people won’t play nations with half baked tech trees that Gaijin is putting no effort into.
Same goes for game modes.
J-16 hasn’t been added because it’s equivalents(su-35, EX Eagle) are not in game yet.
J-11BG could’ve been added but if it comes with PL-12As and only 8 arh it would be sort of a nothing burger as well it’ll be max 14.3 in my opinion, not 14.7 material
lol, lmao even. Every single MiG-29 is in abysmal state. Every single flanker was literally a flying brick, and every single bug report on a Russian Su-27 was denied. Only when people made report about Chinese J-11 gaijin took action and buffed them. You clearly don’t know what you are talking about.
My point was that it was buffed after report was made specifically about Chinese airframe, which completely disproves previous statement about MiG-29KR being buffed just because its Russian.
In what i wonder? Su-30MKK is still better than MK2, J-7D is literally the best MiG-21 in the game, being as effective (if not better) as MiG-21Bis but sitting at a lower br for some reason. And at the time when Russia had an abysmal Flanker and abysmal Fulcrum at top tier, China got J-10A. And lets not forget that China still has extremely good Mirage 2k with MICAs, best version of 13.3 F-16A and JH-7s with IRCCM missiles (very good IRCCM missiles as well) as low as 11.7
It’s a good thing the topic is about air top-tier .
In the same TT, you can find Gripen, Harrie, MiG-29, F-16, F-2, F-15, F-18, and Su-30 MKM.
(Edit:And it will also receive the Gripen E, and if more vehicles from Indonesia are added, it risks receiving the KF-21 Bomarea…That’s without even mentioning the f15JSI.)
It’s by far the most complete TT in the game.
Yes, Gaijin loves Japan; it’s a Russian/Hungarian company with a Japanese name that even makes anime-themed items.
It’s a very good plane, in fact it’s the plane I have the most kills on in the game, back when I bought it, it was still 11.0.
But it’s not the best MiG-21 in the game; it’s actually 0.3 br than the MiG-21BIS because it shares the FM missile with the MiG-21MF, plus the J7 doesn’t have all-aspect missiles and has two fewer missiles.
The J7E is an incredible aircraft, but it’s 0.3+ br than the MiG-21 Bis and also 0.3 + than its biggest competitor, the F-5E.
Excellent aircraft for the 13.7, but currently drastically affected by the PL12 nerf.
They are good aircraft, but they are not Chinese; they are export.
It’s an attack plane with 2 IRCCM missiles. I’ve never played with this plane, but I believe it’s reasonable; I haven’t seen many of them in matches either.
China was a fairly consistent nation up until version 13.7; the problem started after version 14.0, but that changed with the nerf to PL12.
If you believe that China is such a good and formidable nation, grind it, and you’ll see that reality is very different from your expectations.
(edit: I’m referring to the nation within the game)
Exactly zero of which are top tier.
Japan has not had a top tier plane since Dec 2024 when “Storm Warning” went live and upped the max BR to 14.0.
They even added the Su-30 in the same patch as the 14.7s arrived!
Sure, if you just ignore every time they get screwed over like every other minor nation.
What Gitgood is trying to say is that just because plane is in Russian tech tree, it does not necessarily mean it would be the best or even good, point being mig-29 and variants together with su-27sm on release, at one point Russia had one of the worst top tier jet line ups in game.
In the Leviathans patch, Japan received the F-2; in the subsequent patch, although it did not receive modern aircraft, the focus was on a Japanese subTT. (If I’m not mistaken, it was in this patch that Japan received the Gripen.)
So, in the patch line of contact, Japan received the Malaysia sub-TT.
J-7D is 150 kilo lighter than MiG-21MF and has stronger engine on top of that. The fact that PL-5 is not all-aspect is not that important because there is no all-aspect missile on a supersonic platform with similar performance at this br. 4 PL-5 is better than 6 R-60Ms.
It’s a supersonic attack jet with 2 IRCCM missiles and flight performance that can actually compete with pure fighters at this br.
then your entire point about Japan is invalid, because the ONLY domestic aircraft at top tier for Japan is F-2A and it is very mid.
exactly, Chinese tech tree is very good. It falls short at the end because main missile got gimped, but it is nowhere near to your “gaijin hates China” mentality
It’s not just the PL12 nerf, and the PL12 nerf came after the J10C and J15T disaster.
Japan has its own aircraft, which are good aircraft, in addition to those it exports.
China had this and lived in a similar situation until br 14.0, and before the addition of the J15T, J10C, and the pre-nerf of the PL12.
These three events completely changed the scenario.
And? Not one of those aircraft was a competitive top tier aircraft, the last time Japan got one of those was the F-15J(m) something like 2 years ago.
But honestly, think what ever you like about it, it’s pointless arguing over which nation gets screwed slightly less by Gaijin. Frankly Japan and China seemed about on par prior to the PL-12 nerf.
It wasn’t Japan received a 48cm naval fighter jet in 14.7, and ironically, it has serious problems taking off (that is, when you can take off without crashing into the water) from aircraft carriers because they forgot to include the capability to be catapulted.
Japan only has 3 meme planes(on top tier) : the F-5 with Derby in the 13.0 series, the F-4J Kai which used to be a fun plane, as did the Kuna 2000, but nowadays it’s food for the Su-30mk2 and MKK, and the F-16 OCU which should be 13.3.
Honorable mention to the F-16J which is in an awkward position.
China had all of its top-tier 13.0+ completely obliterated.
all PL12 launch platforms were wiped out.
Not even poor Jeff (jf17) escaped.
In my opinion the topic could’ve been reworded better… it is true j-15t is in a pretty subpar state but it does not need the ‘same treatment’ as the mig29k, it needs its own treatment and changes in order to make it a bit more competitive in wt air
Yes I know, I was half way through researching the J-10C when it happened.
The PL-12 nerf was moronic and destroyed Chinese top tier air, that was never in question. I am just pointing out that Japan doesn’t get so special treatment like you seem to think, even ignoring the issues with ground and naval as you want to focus on air there are plenty of issues such as lacking a top tier aircraft, even a bad one for over 2 years now or their naval bomber line ending at BR 3.7.
Both Japan and China are getting the short end of the stick in top tier ARB.
Is there some positive news for the Mig-29K? last I checked it’s “treatment” was getting an engine power nerf, 2 of it’s ARH missiles removed and all it’s SARH missiles removed… not sure why anybody would ask for that.