I’m not offended. I’m solely against forum topics devolving into childish ad hominems.
Stick to the topic at hand. leave your ego at the door.
Claiming “skill” in gen 4+ is beyond laughable when the aircraft sensors and weapons do most of the work for you.
There’s a very specific reason of why the Rafale was the go-to for every stat padder for a while.
sorry, maybe it was not direct enough. Where can I find the documentation (declassified) that shows the R77 is rated for this task and the ranges. Surely if we don’t like “meta bad please change” then we should be using documentation to back this up right?"
which requires more skill?
iron dome or an actual joust?
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I saw this a looooong time ago in a brochure from Vympel from 1990s, I don’t have it downloaded and would have to trawl the net to find it.
But regardless of that, physics principles don’t change. A brochure won’t change this.
got it so trust me bro understood
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There’s no jousting in fox-3 environments. That’s a term for fox-1 fights.
Can you show me declassified documents stating it can’t?
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Well, sticking to the topic did result in you evading your very own sources.
Again, the only source you posted about A2A missiles shooting down other A2A missiles so far was about IRIS-T being capable (not even proven) of shooting down other A2A missiles. That is your own source.
And all you have done so far is to avoid responding to “but we don’t have planes carrying IRIS-T in game”.
How about that?
no, see my argument falls entirely on this is a horrible meta for the game. Not “x missiles can do this”. Sometimes vibes based suggestions is how things get fixed.
I understand this is a game based on realistic IRL systems, though it doesn’t take a aerospace engineer to point out the insane mechanic here that is also, based on vibes. Thankfully the loudest are sometimes the minorities and common sense can prevail.
What? The R-77 thing? You can disregard it if you want, it’s just an extra tidbit, it doesn’t change the fact that
a) AAM intercepting other AAMs is possible
b) There are missiles that do this and are advertised and exist (IRIS-T, for example). It is proven, otherwise it wouldn’t be advertised.
c) The physics are the same for everything
Because this was never the argument. The argument was that AAM intercepting AAM was fictional and unrealistic.
Furthermore
Ground launched IRIS-T can intercept missiles. It’s in game. It’s the same missile with a bigger motor.
How about that?
This is also a game, gameplay matters more than realism, this is an example of why
Nobody really wants this feature to be added, as seen in the poll. It doesn’t matter if it’s realistic or realistically possible, this meta is blatantly unfun and removes what skill there is at top tier sim.
Even though I’m not really a sim player, this meta is happening in air RB occasionally and will get worse over time
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Yes but that’s fine as an opinion. Just don’t try to turn it into objective fact and I won’t call it out as such.
Opinions are fine. Trying to present an opinion as a fact is not.
The entire mechanics of gen 4 and gen4+ are mostly based on vibes. It’s not only iron dome meta. Almost every technical aspect from radar performance to missile seekers to guidance logic is obviously game-fied due to most of the data specs for everything still being classified. Just look how every ARH seeker besides the MICA has the same specs.
Even the “holy grail” DCS makes shit up. RAZBAM has for one specifically stated that they made up values for a lot of the Mirage 2000 tech specs.
Again I’m fine with opinion-based argumentation. But I will absolutely call out when people try to present opinions as facts when they are backed up by vibes alone. That’s my problem with most of this thread.
Possible is very different than what we have in game which is very probable (perhaps very close to 100%) as r77-1 seems to never miss shooting down another missile.
Again, what plane carries IRIS-T? Lol, honestly you are emberassing yourself at this point :)
The physics are the same but the mechanics are very different thus why different missiles behave differently. Do you even play the game? :)
Yep, it was the arguement, if we had planes shooting IRIS-T, perhaps you could have a slight point and deserved a percentage of attention you are getting at the moment, right? :)
in ARB at least it’s easier to bypass this. I noticed while flying the su-30 (sim ofc), I had an enemy F-15 selected on my radar, i saw that on my hud, but the moment he fired my radar started selecting missiles as targets. I don’t know how realistic it is, but for sure it’s pretty damn annoying
The irony is palpable
The great thing about opinions, is when supported by a majority, they then turn into the fact of “the community doesn’t like this”. This is how discussion into topics like this start. This is how things change.
Please let me know where the objective fact is that I portrayed from opinions.
Well we know aster 30 is capable of shooting down MICA EM even though the latter is smaller and faster.
MBDA also claims the mica vl system (which uses the exact same mica missiles as the airplanes and is considered a rival to the IRIS-T) can intercept guided bombs and sea skimming cruise missiles, despite being launched from the ground, and i’m inclined to believe them.
So all indications show air to air missile interception is more than possible even if not practical enough to become an established tactic outside of a game environment.
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Not liking something due to subjective reasoning = opinion
Individual or group, doesn’t change. Still an opinion.
Your entire original posts hinges on presenting as a fact that iron dome meta removed skill. One could say that quick radar operation and target prioritization is a skill. Or that positioning and geometry management is a skill. You also present the reductionist view that more missiles = guaranteed win by intercepting enemy munitions.
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From my point of view, most complaints are just people who are unable or willing to adapt
Do I LIKE the iron dome gameplay? Absolutely not. But I were to argue against it, which I very much do, it would be from the lens of radar resolution from the launching aircraft being able to detect them and the track reliability over time
damn didn’t realize