yup, here is the tim to speed for 1km alt.
This is the weakest engined MiG-21 in the game btw and the next variants in the tree give MASSIVE thrust increases.
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F attempt at gaslighting.
Broski’s here ignore any logic or reason.
Falsley claiming stuff like “high alt does not matter”.
I’ve yet to see any logical argument against sending the demon high up.
Do you really, honestly, honest to yourself, think that everybody in here, 4 or 5 people at this point, are all trolling you?
I explained why I’m correct, you haven’t even ATTEMPTED to explain how I’m not correct
Not a soul here, repeat, read this: Not a soul here has said they do not want the demon to be uptiered. What I personally said and what I think other people agree with is that the demon does not need to go up by literally 4-5 BR steps at a time based on emotional knee jerk responses.
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I dont think anyone here is against the f3h going up in br. We just dont see how sending it to face aim9L and mig25 makes any sense.
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Have you eaten today? Do you need more coffee? You should really take a break man. You are just going in circles.
Take a break, clear your head for a few and come back if you want to keep arguing your case. Posting nonstop isn’t doing any good. You have not convinced me, an “outsider” looking in, of anything so far.
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I mean, if you condense my post to “muh energy” then why should I read you scramblings with any seriousness?
The sheer fact that a high altitude allows you to exchange altitude for speed is obvious to almost anyone.
While being forced to the ground by aim-7C’s, gives you less freedom of movement.
Yeah, if someone dives you, you can go leff or right for a time. But then you will ultimately bleed your energy, resulting in gerting killed.
And even if we take the demon and the mig in the same situation.
Yes, the mig cam outrun its, while hugging the ground. But that force the mig to play passively.
Which leads the team to a defeat anyway.
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OP’s face when they return:
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Yeah, the F3H nuked completely the 9.0 br range. Now there are around 5 x F3H in the match. They nuke the bombers and after 3 min there dive down and kill everything on the dack. The averge matches last 5 min.
Completely bullshit. Gaijin should do something about it …
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Yeah same situation as su30 pre XD.
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Not really.
I just see people huffing copium, if more than anything.
The best I’ve seen is stuff like 9.3 or 9.7 max.
Which is absurdly low for this thing anyway.
Though I guess we will see its final place in the course of several BR adjustments.
Yeah, and yet some people here claim that it’s “different”, lol
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BR compression so much need now!!!
Me? I just dont go low where I will lose to better jets like ariete.
I would ask you a question: do you fail to dogfight against demon?
Somehow op demons couldnt win despite coming down from altitude and despite me losing chunk of my speed to kill that skyhawk.
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I want you, very much so, to explain why you think what you think so I can have a conversation with you. If you think you already have, I want you to quote where you did so I can re-read it in case I missed something. That said, I don’t think you have in this thread. You have just said that “being higher alt = gooder” from what I see and I’ve already explained how that’s not really the case in this specific circumstance.
Ok, yes, you can dive to gain speed fast, what you cannot do is turn into an actual fast jet just by diving when you are a transonic jet at best and usually are going subsonic. You can’t catch something that goes close to your own top speed on the deck just by diving onto it. Even if you did, it doesn’t mean that is the optimal scenario for that engagement because lots of jets will easily turn that around on you and make your speed actually work against you.
I agree with this, just not that it actually matters all that much at 9.0
What do you mean go left or right
The F3H-2 is basically the epitome of bleeding speed.
How is that not reasonable to you as a first adjustment to see what the jet does after
No. It’s literally worse than the pre-buff F-4C in most regards as I told you earlier, and the pre-buff F-4C was bad at 10.0.
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If your max speed is mach 0.9 and you are going mach 0.9, how much more speed can diving grant you?
Please explain how the f3h fighting planes with 4 aim9L and phantoms with aim7e is viably balanced.
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You can force the mig to overshoot.
Tries to dogfight?
The demons wing area will murder the mig.
Tries to retain its altitude?
AIM-7C go BRRRRR.
And in a head-on the gsh-23 has nothing on the demons colts(especially with tracerless rounds)
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Uptier to F5 at 10.7 :)
yeah he can do the same to you
MIG-21s don’t lose to F3H-2 in dogfights
Maybe if the f3h is a good player and the mig21 is a classic russian main then the f3h could win. I have seen some “interesting” mig players. Even had a few lose a turn fight to my f100