While using AIM-7B which isn’t exist in game at all for example?
Ohhh I can’t wait to see that you will say the same thing to AIM-120B when AIM-120C-5 comes out.
:/
Exactly. Just because it has an ARH seeker doesn’t mean it’s good.
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The kit is fine for its br. I specifically made the point you can get things done with subpar kit, being aim7e2. On f14b you get aim7m which is superior in every way. Its not subpar, its just not. If anything its one of the more balanced vehicles at 13.0.
F15a probably shouldn’t be 13.0 considering the fm and combination of weapons. Same with the su27, but due to compression we have what we have.
Iraf never used r73 lol. If it did, prove it.
F14b isn’t underperforming, if it was it would go down in br. Its well known that snail balances off of player statistics. If it was, it would go down.
The harriers are just worse than the f14. They just are, aim120 or not. The launch platform gives you maybe 10km of range where you actually have a chance to hit anything with it because you’re so slow. You can be out jousted by r27er, and even aim7m from f15 and f14. One of the worst f16s in game for its br and you say its the best. just lol. As stated, Sure, they all have advantages over the f14b. But the f14b has advantages over all of them. It’s combination of features make it just mid. Theres nothing special about it, but there’s nothing wrong with the f14 either.
Now frankly I’m done with this conversation. We will have to agree to disagree.
thing is tomcat is underperforming this is a documented fact its radar should be one of the strongest of the br but its one of the easiest to notch for some reason factually speaking. Aim54C underperforms its been proven over and over it is supposed to have a reduced smoke burner and increased acceleration from in game along with better turn but they dont model duel plane so that will have to wait, its seeker also has proven to be statistically improved over the Aim54A. the F14B compared to its counters is rather weak Mig29G mirage 2000s F15A SU-33 all outperform it in IR missiles and bvr wise to and they also have similar if not better flight models for a 13.0 its not the greatest compared to its ally’s
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lmao ok Mr. “We will have to agree to disagree, but only after I abruptly end the discussion”
Edit: You’re getting a response anyway because you didn’t understand me.
You haven’t given any evidence to this claim (that I haven’t shot down immediately and disproved)’
I literally said the IRIAF never used the R-73 in service, however, it was compatible.
You gotta be kidding me. (Not saying you’re claiming this btw) That’s basically saying planes like the F-104.ASA deserves 12.0. Everyone actually knows that balancing by player statistics is a bad way of balancing and has historically almost never worked for anything but the extremes. Objectively, the F-14B lacks its correct systems and up-to-date weapon systems.
I’m ignoring the harrier part because you’re trying to downplay a small, maneuverable, fast accelerating, high CM count, jet with Aim-120s just because it subsonic.
If you ACTUALLY read what I typed, you would see I said out of the F-16s, it has the best flight model of the F-16s, which is a fact not up for debate.
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I’m done with this conversation because its been going on for close to a week now and i simply don’t have the time to argue with people who just repeat themselves over and over without any evidence, yourself included. If you wanna prove the f14 iraf used the r73, by all means provide some evidence. I still have yet to see it. Frankly i don’t agree with gaijin’s balancing. You’re the one making the claim the f14b is under performing, prove it. You can’t. You can point to the armament all day and the armament is fine for 13.0. The aim7m is perfectly acceptable at that br, as is the aim9l. The eurofighter has aim9m and aim120 and its superior to the av8b+ even though it has the same weapons. The airframe matters and the f14’s is fine for 13.0. If i can do well enough in the F14a iraf at 13.0 with aim7e2, f14b with its better engines, better rwr, and 400+cm and aim7m does just fine. Now, I’ll wait for any evidence to be actually submitted but I doubt you’ll do any more than just repeat yourself and dismiss my points out of hand as the rest of this thread continues to do.
F-14 still need modeled RIO, and AIM-54 fixes, and iirc there are a couple fixes for AWG-9 too. also need countermeasure pods, and AIM-7P, and AIM-9M for the B
all of those have evidence
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I thought Gaijin decided not to add AIM-7P on current F-14s
- as long as F-14s’ radars don’t have datalink feature for AIM-7P,
- So it might act like the same missile as AIM-7F/M in the game.
But if they thought it was possible
Then why do they give AIM-9H to F-14A?
AIM-9H also acts nearly the same as AIM-9G in this game. isn’t it?
Maybe it will be fine to add AIM-7P even if it will act just the same as the current AIM-7F does.
Still… I am a bit questionable about adding R-73 on F-14A IRIAF.
Maybe due to Fakour-90 allergy of mine?
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i mean even if its behaves the same its still cool to just have i guess.
they can always add wing station fakours too instead. though tbh, it should get both for 13.0, as well as countermeasure pods if Iran had them
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Agreed. Extra things won’t hurt much!
it might be good to see AIM-7P on another USN aircraft, which is capable of.
I spaded all four Wellington and bought captured one too with same reason XD
Ewww… Sounds like my Fakour-90 allergy goes even worse and I am going to be hard to breathe :P
If IRIAF gets all of R-73, extra fakour, with extra CM pod,
I am unsure, but maybe it will be tied with MiG-29SMT on 13.3, I guess.
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didnt know this existed. i was referring to US pods compatible with F-14A that Iran might have gotten, but this is pretty cool too. still dont think it would be 13.3 worthy though. seems a bit targeted to tomcat
no no no no, Maybe I made misunderstood your comment. about CM pod.
well since i dont know for sure. without CM pod, and with wing fakour and r-73, i think that would make the IRIAF a solid 13.0
not really worth 13.3 imo
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Maybe if IRIAF has everything in ‘With CM pod/extra fakour/new R-73’ combo
It might be solid 13.3 as long as it will act better than [buffed with AIM-9M]F-14B
Maybe a bit too overkill since it will make IRIAF forever stuck at 13.0-14.0 match unless decompression happens.
Which will be a nightmare with old AN/ARL-45 RWR (maybe a good one for F-4 since there are plenty of planes with even worse RWR in 12.0, but it will be one of the worst RWR in 13.3)
and will be sent to the same unplayable level with MiG-29SMT.
(I heard Extra fuel tank on SMT’s back is CFT one IRL, so it needs to be dismountable like F-15E’s one does.)
Well… Depends on the amount of CM which will be granted by the new pod though.
Maybe being 13.3 will be unpleasant to play, no matter IRIAF became 13.3 capable or not.
Just like what I felt when Tornado F.3 Late was 13.3 while F-15E was 13.7
well i would hope AIM-54C gets fixed too by then, along with BOL.
in which case, IRIAF will have worse engines and much less surivable, but have better long range reach and higher G pulling IR missile.
also, as a fun bonus, F-14B should be able to fill every space in the ALE-39 dispensers with GEN-X active single shot decoys for radar missiles. much better than chaff. Microwaves101 | Electronic Decoys
quoted manual, says all navy tactical aircraft are cleared for it, and F-14 was in service when this was.
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F14B does have datalink And it won’t be the same as the 7m found In game
Don’t forget about it’s eca
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i know, but i find GEN-X quite promising since its “designed and cleared for flight all navy tactical aircraft”, for a system in use during Gulf War. so A-6, F/A-18A, C early, and C late, F-14A, F-14B, F-14D, F/A-18E, even F-35C should all be able to use it. since its ALE-39 and ALE-47 compatible, some air force stuff might technically be able to use it but thats up to gaijin
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I do absolutely agree with 9Ms this and that, but for the love of all thats holy, ACM modes.
So we have
Small square, 9km
Vert. rectangle, 9km
Same but shifted way up, 9km.
Whats wrong? Well, lets see what it has IRL (and in DCS aswell)
Small square, 9km
Vert. rectangle, 9km
Same but shifted way up, 9km.
Aaaaand… medium-ish horizontal rectangle, 15nm or roughly 25km (!!!).
I would happily give up the entire phoenix load, as if they do anything anyway, just for the 4th mode.
Why dont we have this? Technical difficulties? Didnt stop them adding usless one-off stuff like stealth or whatnot. Balance? Every man and has dog at 13.0 has 19km HMS, let alone above that (swedish hornet lmao)
Tomcat isn’t the only one which don’t have HMS in 13.0BR.
Even if we exclude some planes which even don’t have any kind of ARH at all.