lmao ok Mr. “We will have to agree to disagree, but only after I abruptly end the discussion”
Edit: You’re getting a response anyway because you didn’t understand me.
You haven’t given any evidence to this claim (that I haven’t shot down immediately and disproved)’
I literally said the IRIAF never used the R-73 in service, however, it was compatible.
You gotta be kidding me. (Not saying you’re claiming this btw) That’s basically saying planes like the F-104.ASA deserves 12.0. Everyone actually knows that balancing by player statistics is a bad way of balancing and has historically almost never worked for anything but the extremes. Objectively, the F-14B lacks its correct systems and up-to-date weapon systems.
I’m ignoring the harrier part because you’re trying to downplay a small, maneuverable, fast accelerating, high CM count, jet with Aim-120s just because it subsonic.
If you ACTUALLY read what I typed, you would see I said out of the F-16s, it has the best flight model of the F-16s, which is a fact not up for debate.
I’m done with this conversation because its been going on for close to a week now and i simply don’t have the time to argue with people who just repeat themselves over and over without any evidence, yourself included. If you wanna prove the f14 iraf used the r73, by all means provide some evidence. I still have yet to see it. Frankly i don’t agree with gaijin’s balancing. You’re the one making the claim the f14b is under performing, prove it. You can’t. You can point to the armament all day and the armament is fine for 13.0. The aim7m is perfectly acceptable at that br, as is the aim9l. The eurofighter has aim9m and aim120 and its superior to the av8b+ even though it has the same weapons. The airframe matters and the f14’s is fine for 13.0. If i can do well enough in the F14a iraf at 13.0 with aim7e2, f14b with its better engines, better rwr, and 400+cm and aim7m does just fine. Now, I’ll wait for any evidence to be actually submitted but I doubt you’ll do any more than just repeat yourself and dismiss my points out of hand as the rest of this thread continues to do.
F-14 still need modeled RIO, and AIM-54 fixes, and iirc there are a couple fixes for AWG-9 too. also need countermeasure pods, and AIM-7P, and AIM-9M for the B
I thought Gaijin decided not to add AIM-7P on current F-14s
as long as F-14s’ radars don’t have datalink feature for AIM-7P,
So it might act like the same missile as AIM-7F/M in the game.
But if they thought it was possible
Then why do they give AIM-9H to F-14A?
AIM-9H also acts nearly the same as AIM-9G in this game. isn’t it?
Maybe it will be fine to add AIM-7P even if it will act just the same as the current AIM-7F does.
Still… I am a bit questionable about adding R-73 on F-14A IRIAF.
Maybe due to Fakour-90 allergy of mine?
Agreed. Extra things won’t hurt much!
it might be good to see AIM-7P on another USN aircraft, which is capable of.
I spaded all four Wellington and bought captured one too with same reason XD
Ewww… Sounds like my Fakour-90 allergy goes even worse and I am going to be hard to breathe :P
If IRIAF gets all of R-73, extra fakour, with extra CM pod,
I am unsure, but maybe it will be tied with MiG-29SMT on 13.3, I guess.
didnt know this existed. i was referring to US pods compatible with F-14A that Iran might have gotten, but this is pretty cool too. still dont think it would be 13.3 worthy though. seems a bit targeted to tomcat
Maybe if IRIAF has everything in ‘With CM pod/extra fakour/new R-73’ combo
It might be solid 13.3 as long as it will act better than [buffed with AIM-9M]F-14B
Maybe a bit too overkill since it will make IRIAF forever stuck at 13.0-14.0 match unless decompression happens.
Which will be a nightmare with old AN/ARL-45 RWR (maybe a good one for F-4 since there are plenty of planes with even worse RWR in 12.0, but it will be one of the worst RWR in 13.3)
and will be sent to the same unplayable level with MiG-29SMT.
(I heard Extra fuel tank on SMT’s back is CFT one IRL, so it needs to be dismountable like F-15E’s one does.)
Well… Depends on the amount of CM which will be granted by the new pod though.
Maybe being 13.3 will be unpleasant to play, no matter IRIAF became 13.3 capable or not.
Just like what I felt when Tornado F.3 Late was 13.3 while F-15E was 13.7
well i would hope AIM-54C gets fixed too by then, along with BOL.
in which case, IRIAF will have worse engines and much less surivable, but have better long range reach and higher G pulling IR missile.
also, as a fun bonus, F-14B should be able to fill every space in the ALE-39 dispensers with GEN-X active single shot decoys for radar missiles. much better than chaff. Microwaves101 | Electronic Decoys
quoted manual, says all navy tactical aircraft are cleared for it, and F-14 was in service when this was.
i know, but i find GEN-X quite promising since its “designed and cleared for flight all navy tactical aircraft”, for a system in use during Gulf War. so A-6, F/A-18A, C early, and C late, F-14A, F-14B, F-14D, F/A-18E, even F-35C should all be able to use it. since its ALE-39 and ALE-47 compatible, some air force stuff might technically be able to use it but thats up to gaijin
I do absolutely agree with 9Ms this and that, but for the love of all thats holy, ACM modes.
So we have
Small square, 9km
Vert. rectangle, 9km
Same but shifted way up, 9km.
Whats wrong? Well, lets see what it has IRL (and in DCS aswell)
Small square, 9km
Vert. rectangle, 9km
Same but shifted way up, 9km.
Aaaaand… medium-ish horizontal rectangle, 15nm or roughly 25km (!!!).
I would happily give up the entire phoenix load, as if they do anything anyway, just for the 4th mode.
Why dont we have this? Technical difficulties? Didnt stop them adding usless one-off stuff like stealth or whatnot. Balance? Every man and has dog at 13.0 has 19km HMS, let alone above that (swedish hornet lmao)
I might have worded it weirdly, better put it this way - the overwhelming majority of planes I actually SEE people play around toptier have HMS. Su27/33, 15A, soon the 12.7 hornet, things like that. Premium viggen being the notable exception for obvious reason, but tornado? Harrier with amraams? What are those? Could that be a coincedence? In any case, denying 25km ACM is cleary not a balance concern.
I just wanted to point out
‘Tomcat is not only one who doesn’t have HMS in 13.0+’
I am very well aware and understand our radar is way better than yours.
25km ACM is better than 9km ACM for sure.
Also, now your comments seem more understandable than the last one.
I partially understand your pain, maybe because
Fighting against F-15E which was on 13.7 while playing Tonrado F.3 Late in 13.3
When F-4F ICE just got buffed to 13.0.
I am sure it is painful and disappointing to fight against F-15E or EF2000 in F-14B.
Also there are a few missing modes & errors. (also issues with the provided source quoting ranges for a standard 5m^2 RCS targets, where WT uses a generic 2m^2 so range is somewhat less for most targets which is not at all accurate to how things actually are IRL but it’s what we’ve got)
This one is probably an error as can be seen in the Transitional “Vertical Scan Lock-on” (VSL) mode, has two antenna patterns a VSL-Hi (+15 thru +55) and a VSL-Lo (-15 thru +25), both covering a 40 degree sector.
This one is probably the Entry below VSL, MRL (Manual rapid lock on), Feel Free to report it if you wish.
The HMS at very least is an option as the VTAS II headset was tested during ACE/AIMVAL (yes images are for ants)
Relevant excerpt of Text for non-ants
The Block 90 F-14As taking part in the test required extensive hardware and software changes. They include:
Maneuvering slats. Slat extension/retraction occurs concurrently with selection of maneuvering flaps.
Central air data computer with high angles of attack, the flight stick utilizes rudder instead of differential stabilizer for roll control.
Second UHF radio, replacing the ARC-51 with the ARC-150 (V)5 solid-state radio for a 20-w. output increase.
Lower pylon Sidewinder adapter. Stations 1B and 8B can carry the AIM-9L missile.
The Honeywell visual target acquisition system – a dual cockpit system – has been installed by Hughes. Both the pilot and flight officer are able to slave the missile seekers off-boresight with the visual target acquisition system. All seekers slave to either crewmember’s line of sight. The pilot is dominant if simultaneous slaving occurs in both cockpits.
The visual target acquisition system is used in the F-15 and provides target acquisition capability by determining the pilot’s line of sight to the target. The system uses infrared light beams, which are generated by two transmitters and detected by four helmet-mounted sensors. The sensors supply information to the target acquisition computer for line-of-sight computation. The line-of-sight direction as seen through the helmet sight piece is sent by the computer to the missile seeker which is slaved to the system. The system is used on the F-15 only with the Navy’s D concept seekers.
