F-5E goes transonic on the deck.
Also, most of my F-4F matches are when it was 11.0 and without AIM-9Js.
Nerf the flight model and then leave it where it is
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“nerf the flight model”
-literally flies worse than any 10.7+ fighter and only thrives by catching people busy dogfighting
MY MAIN GRIPE with the f5e is how bad results the guns give me. It’s always white text. Hit, hit, hit, severe damage, hit. The guns themselves have very little HE filler and explode before entering the target’s frame; and the API rounds overpenetrate up close and ricochet far away.
20mm api-t wherever I usually shoot when dogfighting
20mm hef
23mm api-t
23mm HEF
Does it? I’ve found the 11.3 F-5E FCU quite enjoyable in terms of flight performance. Only thing it really is missing is speed, but even then it has enough to fight and, most importantly, keeps it well. Then you have you 45 flares that, while not much, work really well simply for the airframe being so cold.
the FCU is well backed up by the missiles the f-5e can only dream of (plus the pythons). Speed wise ? i mean, actually speed alone wouldn’t matter, if it wouldn’t be such a brick past mach 1 where it simply refuses to pull and everything else turns inside it. The F-5C does not suffer from this compression issue and I can do better in it at 11.3 than I do with the F-5E precisely because despite being EVEN slower I can safely one circle MLD’s and even drakens 💀and they will mostly run away with a red engine. Sure, the F-5E is a menace against 9.7, but aren’t the draken EVEN more menaces with it’s six missiles? Sure, they’re the ASS-9Js but they still better on six than on two. Besides, you can dedicate at least two of these missiles to take down incoming fox1s within burning stage. If the F-5E had four aim9j’s it would be different. It’s the extremely lackluster missile quality count and draggy bullets coupled with the horrible high speed handling what make me despise the f-5e so much. The last match I had on F-5E was like this:
And so are most of the matches that I have at 11.0 or higher. If the j7e deployed flaps he would have ABSOLUTELY ended me in the first turn. And yet, he had the last word because m39s are literally white text guns.
It’s an energy/dogfight god at its BR from my experience, in the fur-balls which constantly happen this thing thrives. Constantly running away from it may be effective for survival, but it ain’t gonna help you win the match most of the time.
an energy dogfighting god that gets out energied and out fought by everything!
in the furballs where everyone is flaring and quickly turning away, the f-5e with the flare-hungry aim9j’s and the flight model of a brick totally thrives!!!
Constantly running away from it may be effective for survival, but it ain’t gonna help you win the match most of the time.
that’s because you not only out run it, you also out dog fight. Go one circle, and you will win. Go ultra high speed and you will win. Go ultra slow speed and you will win. If it rates just extend and repeat.
If I make this post is because I fly both the f-5e and the MiG21 SMT and i see F-5E’s every match. It’s not a good plane and I know it’s weaknesses. It can’t even go one circle and out rate against a MiG23M and the MiG23M is the worst 11.0. Now if the worst 11.0 is FAR superior to “the best 10.7” what is this kind of logic?
Oh , I see the lethany people has of praising aircraft with good energy retention. Energy retention alone doesn’t win matches, it makes you harder to kill, but just that. if you have energy retention and great maneuverability you will stomp, The F-5E has quite averagely mid maneuverability for most 10.7-11.7 and it’s easy to send it out of the match the moment you land your gun on it. In other words, just like people overrate props with high damage guns, people overrate jets with high energy retention.
Look! More white text!! M39 is SO OP!!!
It has insane energy retention and turns incredibly well but I have to agree that the guns are the worst i’ve played on a modern jet, they’re underpowered
I prefer playing the F-8E which has a better package, has good radar missiles, a lot better guns, turn goods and insane energy retention, you can easily follow a mig23 in a dogfight
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F-5E is good enough for its BR. All F-5s in game have really cold engines that make them less vulnerable to IR missiles which is a huge advantage. Yes in a uptier it suffers but in a downtier it’s really good.
F-5E is also quite good for multirole tasks. I usually bring it in grb and it performs really well.
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A lot of stuff suffers in uptiers. The F-5E is really good.
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Doesn’t everything suffer in an uptier? Except a few rare exceptions
Again - pointing to planes that are under tiered due to lack of armament or countermeasures. The performance of the MiG-19 is obviously higher than the F-5E currently. You keep making these terrible arguments. No one is “screaming” either unless you count making threads complaining about non-existent problems nonstop…
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Lmao mantis is turning into the new vammilad at this point
Take a break from the forums for a week or two, for your own good.
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F-104G and F-4F say hi.
And no dont use “F-104 too fast” on me.
F-104 lacks “Good flight performance” because all it can do is go fast. You cannot really contest anything in a fight without being able to turn.
Add the Sea harrier to that list as well (I know its classed as a strike aircraft in game, but its really a fighter)
In fact I think the only aircraft at that BR that can really compete with the F-5s are the Mig-21s
In all honesty i forgot the harriers existed. TBH i would say sea harrier is a fighter. There is probably also something else i forgot but obviously everyone (except OP) gets the idea.
Mirage IIIs probably dont have a great time. But rarely see those. Same with a few swedish things. But yeah, I’d say the F-5s are probably some of the strongest aircraft (if not the strongest aircraft) in the game at their BR quite easily
Yeah M39s are inconsistent as fuck because of realshatter but, imo it can stay at 10.7BR.
Don’t get me wrong, it is really good dogfighter at its BR but, current 11.0s are facing against goddamn F-16As and MiG-29s, so, it is questionable to face against 12.0s again.
If 11.0-12.0 is decompressed, the F-5E and Kfir Canard can move their BR higher, but the only current 11.0 BR aircraft that can sit in that same BR are overtiered stuffs like the F-4EJ, F-104S and J-7D at best.
never had any problem with any guns in game, mostly because i don’t like using HE rounds but AP rounds which have their usefulness much more than what most people thinks about :)