The F-5E is awful in 2024 and you're doing good in it because people is bad, not because it is good

why do you believe that the f-5e is good at 10.7 when it is the slowest aircraft of it’s br, has the least armament of it’s br and has the least engine power of the br? the m39’s are also very bad guns that deal little to no damage as I speak from my experience using them and getting hit by them.

You are thriving on it because people is getting very slow and you can basically abuse the fact you’re flying in rails to keep boom and zooming.

The moment you actually get a real dogfight you’re not going to do well in the vertical. You have to force flat rate fights that last minutes to actually get a gun solution and you know spending too much time dogfighting is a detriment, right? you risk it getting third partied.

The only fighters that might lose to the f-5e are mig21s and that is if they commit to the dogfight and follow the rate fight. Everything else can out dogfight the f-5e, even the f-4e if it gets slow enough. And I say it because I WAS the phantom E out dogfighting F5E.

I really never had an issue facing f-5e’s, i just give them the Zero treatment and go golden. Even yet when I engage I try to assess the situation and try to force slow speed dogfights and peel off the moment the f-5 is going for the rate fight.

You can’t really say “uh uh the f-5e is better than the j35xs” (yes, the draken has insane post mach retention like double delta doritos do such as j7e) . The J35XS does on the deck flat 15 degrees per second of turn rate with six missiles and 21 minutes of fuel. But it can go up to 28 degrees per second at 800 IAS. The F-5E on the same fuel amount barely does 23 at the same speeds and does 28 at mach 1, however the draken will turn tighter and get inside the loop, easily planting itself on the f-5e’s six.

Turn rate is not really everything, if your loop is too wide the enemy will eventually get your six when the turn rates get similar albeit different speeds that tighten the loops. Such as happens with the MiG19S in minimum fuel and the F-16A block 15 when it came out when it maxed 27 (min fuel too). MiG19S does 30 degrees of turn rate and F16 Block 15 does 27, however the f16 turns tighter while having a similar turn rate. Such things happen with the F-5 and Draken.

The armament: M39s are very random and are only good at clipping wings and when someone is going defensive against it it’s harder to hit the wing. I usually attack the engine to ensure the enemy no longer has power to continue flying and finish off in case i don’t get a full kill.

Two assists that would have been kills if the guns actually worked. White text.png.

summed up: no speed, no engine power, no armament, okish maneuverability and overall ratty.

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That’s a lot of words I ain’t reading.
F-5E is good. Source: My statcard.

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so are we really saying that people that get below 500kmh on the deck with the mig23mld, draken, mig21, f4 and others are very good?

Do you also even have a concept of what “nose authority” means? Yeah, the f-5e totally lacks it because it flies on rails.

I also have very good KD on the Sea Fury, does it mean it’s a monster? Thing can’t even effectively defense fly in air rb because how much the instructor caps the maneuverability of the thing.

The F-5E is an absolute menace. I could see it going to 11.0.

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Hmm.

Slower than most 10.3s, less (and worse) armament than most 10.3s, less thrust than anything between 10.0 and 11.0 and you want it at 11.0 alongside the j7e, a plane that not only has more missiles, but better missiles, a better gun, better flare count (and placement), better top speed, better control authority, better energy retention, better turn rate and better thrust weight ratio.

delulu/100.

I have never lost to an f-5e in a dogfight. Maybe you’re the one putting yourself in a bad situation.

The F-5E FCU even more so, with its 4x all aspect IR-missiles and good RWR.

Too bad the rarad was never upgraded to have IFF… = /

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so we will just say that the j7w1 is the goat of all props, and the f-4j the best jet in game br wise because it carries six sparrows.

I see where you going.

This is why bad planes do good.

What does this have to do with what Schindibee said?

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I can club with the RoC F-5A which is at 10.7 and the F-5E is just better in every way

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schindbee is saying that the f-5e fcu is a menace because it has good missiles. Hence me saying that the planes with great armament must be considered amazing even if they don’t have the flight performance nor maneuverability to even do something. This is the very mentality that put the n1k2j sea fury and f7f a whole br above where they should be.

once again, you’re clubbing because people is bad and get slow and hyper focused on dogfighting. That’s literally how I got 4kd on the f-5e (now lowered because obvious reasons)

the f-5e can’t even do anything against a MiG19, are you all that delusional to place it to fight daily against mig23 mld’s that rinse it in every single aspect? (its a rhetorical question, because of course, you will do). From the "op m39"s whose shells you can literally outrun, to the shitty two aim9j kit, with the shitty radar and the shitty nose authority coupled with the shitty engine power. The fact that you’re doing good in an objectively inferior plane given it’s objective performance and armament compared to the rest even of it’s very BR, doesn’t make it good, it means that the people you fight against, are bad. But that’s the most basic thing to understand and you’re not getting it yet.

If you really think that something that:

-has four less missiles than the average 10.7-11.7 aircraft
-has the lowest TWR of any aircraft at 10.3-11.7
-has the most draggy and less HE-filled guns in the entire jet cannon arsenal of the game
-is 300kmh slower than the rest of targets
-has the worst placement for flares of any 10.3-11.7 aircraft in game (on the middle of the belly, making it susceptible to eating missiles from above)
-has only 20 flares in which it is fully reliant on since it lacks the privileges to extend, for it has no engine power nor acceptable top speed

is a great vehicle then you have a problem.

The fact that none of you is able to see these things is a serious problem.

But you will keep parroting what the people said when the f-5e was added as if this was reddit and the f5e was still remotely relevant. Just for the fact it’s nearly impossible to aim makes it bad enough to fulfill it’s function. Shit literally refuses to pull.

Babe wake up, Mantis_Religiosa has created a new cipe thread

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The irony because the F-5E is heavily overperforming in-game, even outperforming the real world F-20 Tigershark in turn rate.

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heavily overperforming?

how is it “overperforming” when it’s slower, has worse guns, worse missiles and worse engine power??? does blud keep dying to zeroes on his yak3u? does blud keep rate fighting the f5e for five minutes? cause i just came from a match where I started to rate fight a mig21smt and i was about to get it when it hauled ass away without me even being able to catch up because how much engine power the smt has (and how much actually it retains)

f5e in game outperforms the real world tigershark turn rate

every plane in game has a 1.5x turn rate multiplier. The tigershark in game also vastly outrates the f5e. You like to point at it (while being wrong) while ignoring the mig23 mld was limited to 6g’s while in game it pulls 13.


Notice how the tigershark not only rates harder, but also has better nose authority while retaining as good as the tiger.

keep dying to bad planes bud.

I don’t get why it ever went down to 10.7 in the first place

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Dude… Insulting people is just getting your posts flagged…

F-5E is a super-sonic dogfighter with good overall handling and a great gun…only real limitation is the missiles it has.

But you basically don’t have to worry about putting effort into defeating missiles. I was behind one in the Harrier Gr7 the other day. Fired an Aim-9M at an F5E on full AB and it defeated it with a handful of flares. No evasion required.

It literally just went down to 10.7 from 11.0 and quite frankly, I think that was a mistake. It’s a menace in downtiers.all the F5s are.

Just because you struggle to fly them. Doesn’t mean they are bad and need massive buffs. All the F5s need massive nerfs in the form of actually having a realistic engine temp/exhaust temp.

Try fighting one in a sea harrier FRS1. Literally nothing you can hope to do against one. So what sea harrier FRS1 with 4x aim-9Ls to 9.7?

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So… You can easily and riably get 4+ kills every match and you want it buffed? Really?

How self centered can you be?

“My best performing jet that can get a near ACE every game isn’t good enough. I want it to be 10.3 so I can 1v12 the entire enemy team”

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yeah, unfortunately. They should at least remove it for sim, and maybe even realistic.

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i don’t want it buffed, what makes you think i want a plane buffed? not only you’re plain delusional to expect a ground strike aircraft to outdogfight a dedicated 1v1 aircraft, but you also assume things I did not say and want the f5e to go to 11.0 where it becomes even more of a sitting duck against r27er’s and aim7m’s with just two guns and the two worst gimbaled rear aspect missiles past 10.3, and I am the one self centered. The guy that wants HIS sea harrier to out dogfight a light fighter is calling me self centered.

“My best performing jet that can get a near ACE every game isn’t good enough. I want it to be 10.3 so I can 1v12 the entire enemy team”

you keep putting words in my mouth, that’s not how it works. I said I get a 4 kill game every time I don’t die to a j35xs/viggen/etc because given how much these get spammed, the F-5E is seeing Mirage 2000s more frequently than it does see su25s. I still die in most of these near ace/ace games because there’s always someone with a neuron that knows that the f-5e is just the n1k of supersonic jets.

You’re part of the problem, as so is everyone here that says that f-5e is OP without even knowing why they’re doing so good in a plane with objectively worse flight performance and armament than the competence. You are the reason why j7w1 is at 6.0 despite performing worse than the focke wulf 190 at 4.0, and n1k2ja’s are so overtiered, and why the f104a sits at 9.3 and the gripen got nerfed.