yeah, too bad it’s highest T/W values are when the plane is completely unable to nose onto targets nor have peak turn rate. Oh, also everything else at 10.7 and above has HIGHER thrust weight ratio than the f-5e in most scenarios.
The highest T/W values are always also correlating to peak sustained turn rate for the F-5E…
Most other 10.7 fighters have inferior energy retention regardless. You’re speaking nonsense.
the f-5e can definitely outrate the kfir c7 but the kfir c7 can boom and zoom it all day, also go one circle. As I said before the f-5e thrives if people dare to engage it and even if it does, the f-5e needs to have a serious advantage.
-edit- idk why Mantis liked my comment cuz I proved he’s wrong about nearly everything. The Draken is still not a guaranteed win against the F-5E. It’s obviously the best airframe at the BR of 10.7
I liked your comment because I agree with most of it, I’m not hate-based. If someone says something I consider to be right, I will agree with it. That’s literally the basis of arguments and conversations.
You pointed out that the Draken is better than the f-5e for air RB. For a prolonged dogfight? They’re pretty equal, but the draken still holds it at slower speeds.
peak sustained turn rate? where the plane literally turns a brick and even phantoms turn inside it?
yeah. Very high TWR. Still, gets turned inside by phantoms. F-5E loses.
Just a small tangent: Most fights in air RB happen to be one-circle or rolling scissors in order to cut enemies from running away. If literally every fighter can run away from the f-5e the f-5e shall bait into one circle fights it mostly can win, before entering the rate fights. Either the enemy runs away, or the enemy kills the f-5e, or the enemy is bad enough to die one circle to a plane that literally turns wider than the mig19. And despite how much speed delta wings bleed, they happen to be the hardest targets for the f-5e within 10.3 and 10.7, both because they run away from it and definitely do turn inside it.
Almost always is with Ghidorah
All the F-5E needs to do is force two circle and that’s stupid easy against a Kfir.
I did not, it isn’t.
The Draken simply beats it in a dogfight but has limited countermeasures for it to be particularly well suited for air RB. It bleeds speed easily when engaged by multiple opponents and has poor acceleration which makes it perform worse in regards to efficiency than the F-5E.
Was this supposed to be cringe bait? It’s working
What are you talking about?
You’re losing to Phantoms and call others bad?
Is that how you’ve been playing? Sheesh…
I did not, it isn’t.
right, you did not, it still is.
I’ll rewind again.
Two aim9j, two mid tier 20mm that barely do any damage (i can vouch for it as I have survived thousands of f5 guns), mach 1.02 on the deck aganst stuff that do mach 1.1 minimum, huge maneuverability reduction at high speed, clocks 29 degrees of turn rate only below 8min of fuel and at 800ias
something that has the least armament options, is the slowest and has the lowest thrust curve of any 10.7 fighter does NOT make it “the best”
the draken can catch up and out dogfight the j7e, the mig23 mld, the mirage 2000. The f-5e cannot and even struggles against mig21s whenever they don’t take the ratefight bait. This is literally like saying that the zero is OP because it out turns most stuff, even despite funnily enough some spitfires turn inside it and the yaks can reverse it at high speed.
You can’t validity your points by stating more nonsense.
Right, try again
you like to scream I say nonsense, while literally considering a plane that the mig19, a fighter a generation older, can deal safely with, “the best 10.7” where the average 10.7 is 300kmh faster and has twice the amount of (and quality of) missiles. The Draken can reach up to 1450kmh on the deck and keep such speeds. The F-5E will drag down to mach 1.1 maximum after a dive and then go back to mach 1.03. The Draken can also out rate and out turn the j7e, the f-5e can’t.
Right, try again
Just read the text again and think about it. Or else, keep dying to (not the zero) but the (even worse) N1K2J of rank 7.
Side comparison in case you don’t know how n1k2j flies like: The N1K2J has good climb rate, ridiculous energy retention and 900 rounds of quad 20mm, does that mean the plane is a super prop? No, The majority of 6.0s have around the same amount of ammo, better balistics, and the planes themselves generally turn tighter at higher speeds (of which the n1k can’t reach and in case of reaching it won’t be able to turn for how much it compresses) it’s at 6.0 when it should be 5.3 at best.
Long story short: the draken XS can catch up and out dogfight the majority of 10.7-11.7, the f-5e can only out fight 10.3 and below IF they dare engaging OR are slower than it. Period.
F-5E goes transonic on the deck.
Also, most of my F-4F matches are when it was 11.0 and without AIM-9Js.
Nerf the flight model and then leave it where it is
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“nerf the flight model”
-literally flies worse than any 10.7+ fighter and only thrives by catching people busy dogfighting
MY MAIN GRIPE with the f5e is how bad results the guns give me. It’s always white text. Hit, hit, hit, severe damage, hit. The guns themselves have very little HE filler and explode before entering the target’s frame; and the API rounds overpenetrate up close and ricochet far away.
20mm api-t wherever I usually shoot when dogfighting
20mm hef
23mm api-t
23mm HEF
Does it? I’ve found the 11.3 F-5E FCU quite enjoyable in terms of flight performance. Only thing it really is missing is speed, but even then it has enough to fight and, most importantly, keeps it well. Then you have you 45 flares that, while not much, work really well simply for the airframe being so cold.
the FCU is well backed up by the missiles the f-5e can only dream of (plus the pythons). Speed wise ? i mean, actually speed alone wouldn’t matter, if it wouldn’t be such a brick past mach 1 where it simply refuses to pull and everything else turns inside it. The F-5C does not suffer from this compression issue and I can do better in it at 11.3 than I do with the F-5E precisely because despite being EVEN slower I can safely one circle MLD’s and even drakens 💀and they will mostly run away with a red engine. Sure, the F-5E is a menace against 9.7, but aren’t the draken EVEN more menaces with it’s six missiles? Sure, they’re the ASS-9Js but they still better on six than on two. Besides, you can dedicate at least two of these missiles to take down incoming fox1s within burning stage. If the F-5E had four aim9j’s it would be different. It’s the extremely lackluster missile quality count and draggy bullets coupled with the horrible high speed handling what make me despise the f-5e so much. The last match I had on F-5E was like this:
And so are most of the matches that I have at 11.0 or higher. If the j7e deployed flaps he would have ABSOLUTELY ended me in the first turn. And yet, he had the last word because m39s are literally white text guns.
It’s an energy/dogfight god at its BR from my experience, in the fur-balls which constantly happen this thing thrives. Constantly running away from it may be effective for survival, but it ain’t gonna help you win the match most of the time.
an energy dogfighting god that gets out energied and out fought by everything!
in the furballs where everyone is flaring and quickly turning away, the f-5e with the flare-hungry aim9j’s and the flight model of a brick totally thrives!!!
Constantly running away from it may be effective for survival, but it ain’t gonna help you win the match most of the time.
that’s because you not only out run it, you also out dog fight. Go one circle, and you will win. Go ultra high speed and you will win. Go ultra slow speed and you will win. If it rates just extend and repeat.
If I make this post is because I fly both the f-5e and the MiG21 SMT and i see F-5E’s every match. It’s not a good plane and I know it’s weaknesses. It can’t even go one circle and out rate against a MiG23M and the MiG23M is the worst 11.0. Now if the worst 11.0 is FAR superior to “the best 10.7” what is this kind of logic?
Oh , I see the lethany people has of praising aircraft with good energy retention. Energy retention alone doesn’t win matches, it makes you harder to kill, but just that. if you have energy retention and great maneuverability you will stomp, The F-5E has quite averagely mid maneuverability for most 10.7-11.7 and it’s easy to send it out of the match the moment you land your gun on it. In other words, just like people overrate props with high damage guns, people overrate jets with high energy retention.
Look! More white text!! M39 is SO OP!!!
It has insane energy retention and turns incredibly well but I have to agree that the guns are the worst i’ve played on a modern jet, they’re underpowered
I prefer playing the F-8E which has a better package, has good radar missiles, a lot better guns, turn goods and insane energy retention, you can easily follow a mig23 in a dogfight
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