shit fighter fighting shitter players
literally why the re2005, the j7w1, the la9, the j5n1 and the sea fury are so stupid high in BR.
I had an F-5E decoy an Aim-9M about 30° off tail. whilst sat on reheat a few days ago with a handful of flares. he didnt even really turn just flew in a straight line. Meanwhile ive been hit by Aim-9Es in the Sea harrier with a hard viff turn and mutliple flares being dropped.
The F-5Es temp is insane. The issue is how the game doesnt model the engine exhaust and only the engine temp. Engine temp might be right, but the plume should be a few hundred degrees hotter than the engine temp
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The aim9m is inconsistent. Of course if you viff while dropping flares you’re going to not just lose speed but also accumulate heat around you making the missile simply strike you. That’s how aim9e’s “seem to ignore flares” because you launch them on people moving so slowly they’re just a mass of hot air.
I agree the f-5e is cold, I have seen the f-5em tiger in person and that shit not only is deafening loud on idle, it also has an insane trail of heat haze behind the tail. It’s impossible for me to take photos of the f-5e from behind for how much heat it dumps.
Still, the f5e is easy to gun down. Once again, give it the zero treatment.
VIFFing in Harrier should turn a rear aspect shot into a side aspect shot and gives you significantly more G pull…
“Accumalate heat” is just not a real thing. Even IRL. ACTUAL Sea Harrier Tactics, is to Viff to about 30° when defending an IR missile. Just Gaijin models the harrier really really really badly.
Also Sea Harrier is Sub-Sonic. Of course its bloody slow. its not a super-sonic dogfighter like the F-5 is
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Here is all the evidence we need
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This GOTTA be bait chat
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-300kmh slower than the competence
-worst quality of missiles (and worst amount thereof) of 10.3+
-worst thrust of any 10.3+ afterburning jet
-despite maneuverable it still can’t out dogfight kfirs, viggens and drakens of it’s same BR
yeah, defo bait. Like the one you take that makes you die to an f-5e.
who gives a care about the thrust values looking low when the F-5 is one of the lightest airframes in the BR bracket? T/W is more important.
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The only one of these that is true is the Draken, which is definitely under tiered if it weren’t for lack of CM’s on all but the premium.
For those that don’t know, the Draken can hold a higher sustained turn than pretty much anything that isn’t a gen4+ fighter on low fuel.
-edit- idk why Mantis liked my comment cuz I proved he’s wrong about nearly everything. The Draken is still not a guaranteed win against the F-5E. It’s obviously the best airframe at the BR of 10.7
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yeah, too bad it’s highest T/W values are when the plane is completely unable to nose onto targets nor have peak turn rate. Oh, also everything else at 10.7 and above has HIGHER thrust weight ratio than the f-5e in most scenarios.
The highest T/W values are always also correlating to peak sustained turn rate for the F-5E…
Most other 10.7 fighters have inferior energy retention regardless. You’re speaking nonsense.
the f-5e can definitely outrate the kfir c7 but the kfir c7 can boom and zoom it all day, also go one circle. As I said before the f-5e thrives if people dare to engage it and even if it does, the f-5e needs to have a serious advantage.
-edit- idk why Mantis liked my comment cuz I proved he’s wrong about nearly everything. The Draken is still not a guaranteed win against the F-5E. It’s obviously the best airframe at the BR of 10.7
I liked your comment because I agree with most of it, I’m not hate-based. If someone says something I consider to be right, I will agree with it. That’s literally the basis of arguments and conversations.
You pointed out that the Draken is better than the f-5e for air RB. For a prolonged dogfight? They’re pretty equal, but the draken still holds it at slower speeds.
peak sustained turn rate? where the plane literally turns a brick and even phantoms turn inside it?
yeah. Very high TWR. Still, gets turned inside by phantoms. F-5E loses.
Just a small tangent: Most fights in air RB happen to be one-circle or rolling scissors in order to cut enemies from running away. If literally every fighter can run away from the f-5e the f-5e shall bait into one circle fights it mostly can win, before entering the rate fights. Either the enemy runs away, or the enemy kills the f-5e, or the enemy is bad enough to die one circle to a plane that literally turns wider than the mig19. And despite how much speed delta wings bleed, they happen to be the hardest targets for the f-5e within 10.3 and 10.7, both because they run away from it and definitely do turn inside it.
Almost always is with Ghidorah
All the F-5E needs to do is force two circle and that’s stupid easy against a Kfir.
I did not, it isn’t.
The Draken simply beats it in a dogfight but has limited countermeasures for it to be particularly well suited for air RB. It bleeds speed easily when engaged by multiple opponents and has poor acceleration which makes it perform worse in regards to efficiency than the F-5E.
Was this supposed to be cringe bait? It’s working
What are you talking about?
You’re losing to Phantoms and call others bad?
Is that how you’ve been playing? Sheesh…
I did not, it isn’t.
right, you did not, it still is.
I’ll rewind again.
Two aim9j, two mid tier 20mm that barely do any damage (i can vouch for it as I have survived thousands of f5 guns), mach 1.02 on the deck aganst stuff that do mach 1.1 minimum, huge maneuverability reduction at high speed, clocks 29 degrees of turn rate only below 8min of fuel and at 800ias
something that has the least armament options, is the slowest and has the lowest thrust curve of any 10.7 fighter does NOT make it “the best”
the draken can catch up and out dogfight the j7e, the mig23 mld, the mirage 2000. The f-5e cannot and even struggles against mig21s whenever they don’t take the ratefight bait. This is literally like saying that the zero is OP because it out turns most stuff, even despite funnily enough some spitfires turn inside it and the yaks can reverse it at high speed.
You can’t validity your points by stating more nonsense.
Right, try again
you like to scream I say nonsense, while literally considering a plane that the mig19, a fighter a generation older, can deal safely with, “the best 10.7” where the average 10.7 is 300kmh faster and has twice the amount of (and quality of) missiles. The Draken can reach up to 1450kmh on the deck and keep such speeds. The F-5E will drag down to mach 1.1 maximum after a dive and then go back to mach 1.03. The Draken can also out rate and out turn the j7e, the f-5e can’t.
Right, try again
Just read the text again and think about it. Or else, keep dying to (not the zero) but the (even worse) N1K2J of rank 7.
Side comparison in case you don’t know how n1k2j flies like: The N1K2J has good climb rate, ridiculous energy retention and 900 rounds of quad 20mm, does that mean the plane is a super prop? No, The majority of 6.0s have around the same amount of ammo, better balistics, and the planes themselves generally turn tighter at higher speeds (of which the n1k can’t reach and in case of reaching it won’t be able to turn for how much it compresses) it’s at 6.0 when it should be 5.3 at best.
Long story short: the draken XS can catch up and out dogfight the majority of 10.7-11.7, the f-5e can only out fight 10.3 and below IF they dare engaging OR are slower than it. Period.