Imo, Its 10.0 and below that is in more desperate need of a decompression than 10.0 up that did get a partial decompression last year
That too yeah, 8.0 ±1.0 its too compressed thanks to Sabres and MiG-15s going down, but from 10.0 upwards, you start to have 35Gs missiles vs flareless planes, and dont get me started on 12.7-14.0 compression
Though Id argue the better way to resolve that is to move the 9.7 and 10.0 flared aircraft up (relatively speaking) so they were a seperate BR to the 9.7/10.0 aircraft without. Meaning that in a full downtier, something like the A-10A and Su-25 would only face either supersonics without flares or subsonics with flares. Would help a lot.
You have too many aircraft with radically different performance at 9.3 and 9.7 for the status quo to remain.
Let alone the mess that is 8.0-9.0 at the moment
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I don’t know much about props but anything from 7.0 upwards is horrible and the only way to fix this is not only by increasing the maximum BR but also by lowering up and downtiers to 0.7 to make it more fair in most situstions.
Things like the F-104 shouldn’t be fighting shit that is nowhere near supersonic, flareless aircraft eating 30g missiles, etc. Even the poor Me 262 has to fight Sabres and MiG 15 all day long, it’s really sad comparing the state of the game now vs a couple years ago.
I do believe that adding hard stops to uptiers and downtiers at certain BRs to make artificial “top tiers” to preserve matchmaking would be a great addition, where Sabres, MiG 15-17, Hunters and the like can fight each other, where early supersonic like F4 and MiG 21 can fight each other, and also to separate Fox 3 from the rest.
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outdoes them in what? losing speed? losing to jaguars in an energyfight?
the damned thing has more drag than a flatspinning a10
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But… but… but… the J35D has 30mm Gun whereas the F-5C only has a 20mm gun and the J35D has 4x Aim9Js… its clearly better than the F-5C. Its not like flares are all that helpful or anything.
:P
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my guy the f-5c bleeds as much speed if not more than the j35d and will take a whole ass minute to reach a speed at which it can at least dodge an aim9b. The J35D does outdogfight the f-5c, it is also much faster and does not bleed speed above 900kmh of IAS while turning tighter, it literally equals the J7E in a 1v1. It’s funny that yall can’t stop parroting “the f-5c is goated in 1v1” which is not but most of you don’t have any idea on how to dogfight either.
and this is what i mean by echo chamber. Reminder that MiG19 used to face F-4E and MiG21SMT when these two were just 10.7 and people still thought mig19 was cracked even despite facing r60s and aim9js.
i don’t want the f-5c to go down in i’ts current state, even if it has the worst armament and worst performance of any 10.7 fighter.
I want the J7E and J7D to go up.
completely and factually untrue, not that you even know anything about the draken
just stop pulling things out of your ass
the f5 doesn’t need to dodge missiles because it has something very crucial that the j35d lacks…
lol
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J-7E is currently in 11.3BR and obviously has a higher BR than both J-7D and F-5C.
If it goes higher than now, maybe it will be going to share the same BR along with MiG-23ML, or even F-4S.
Well, about J-7D, sure, why not.
Take AIM-9J of yours for your F-5C and join the way to 11.0BR while shaking hand with J-7D.
j7d absolutely MUST go up, j7e though…
i can see it go to 12.0, but only if it gets pl8
maybe it could become a funny irccm fighter at like 13.0 if it gets pl8b
completely and factually untrue, not that you even know anything about the draken
just stop pulling things out of your ass
I know it because i tested it multiple times (and tested it right now with wtrti) because I knew you were going to come crying about it.
At 900 IAS the f-5c does 25 deg/sec, and the draken does 28 deg/sec.
At 1000 ias the f-5c does 24 and the draken sustains 21 in a WIDER turn radius.
Meanwhile the F-5C at 600 IAS barely does 23deg at 660 ias with 422m turn radius, and the draken does 373 turn radius at 27 deg per second.
Summed up: A draken won’t rate fight an f-5c at super high speed, it will simply not engage. However at slow speed the draken will always have the upper hand.
Both Draken and F-5 have similar mach 0.99 speed retention. The draken has better acceleration across all airspeeds. The F-5C will rate better at 900 IAS but the draken yet again has all the privileges not to engage, while the f-5c has no privilege in this.
the f5 doesn’t need to dodge missiles because it has something very crucial that the j35d lacks…
So? J35D has no flares, mig19 has no flares and it had to deal with aim9j’s and r60s for a whole year before it got moved down to 9.3, stop victimizing yourself. The Hunter F6 also had no flares, the f-105 has no flares either, the f-1 has no flares either and all of those pale in comparison with the draken’s flight performance. F-5 having flares won’t stop it from doing the only thing it can: dogfighting. Third party it, if i can kill f-5c’s with aim9e’s while i’m arriving at the furball, so can you with better aim9j’s.
lol
to equal means to tie up, not that it has the same performance. Dora D9 and sea fury are equal in a duel, not because they perform the same. Sea Fury turns tighter and rolls better, dora has better flaps and more engine power.
About j35 v f5c, f-5c rating better means nothing, the su27sm has 32deg/second of turn rate at 770 IAS but a turn radius of 400m, whereas even if the f-18 has just 27deg/sec of turn rate it still has a 300m turn radius. It is of course going to gun down the su27 at some point.
I think this part is a needless appendage.
why did you bring up dodging aim9’s in the first place? i said the whole thing about flares not because im crying about the draken having none, but because the f5 doesn’t need to care about kinematically dodging ir missiles bc it has flares and a very cold heat signature
and the j35 has no chance at beating the j7e fair and square
i will do the tests myself once i get home, yours are wrong i believe
I don’t think that he tested sustained Turn rate but rather instantaneous turn rate
what did you even test? instantaneous turnrate? sustained? i didnt even think about what you were “testing” when i saw your post
if you were really testing instantaneous turnrate… well, i dont even understand your point then, instant turns dont really win 1v1’s
ive checked out sustained turn speed at around 600 IAS and around 900 IAS
the results are:
f-5a has a sustained rate of about 17-18 deg/s at 900 IAS and 16-17 at 600 IAS
j35d has a sustained rate of about 13-14 deg/s at 900 IAS and about the same at 600 IAS
oh yeah thats a good copout, just say that the planes biggest advantage (its incredible horizontal energy retention) is worthless!
what even has a meaning in dogfights then?
it will get slapped like a baby by an f5 that can actually keep speed while turning
btw remember what you were responding to:
you didnt even try responding to that, you just posted instant turn performance???
just so you know, the draken will lose 2 times more energy in that instant turn
(yes i know that f5 gained a bit of altitude, i accidentally pitched up a bit)
arguing with you is pretty much pointless, cus you constantly tell bullshit and dont back it up
i will now post the funniest thing youve said recently:
^this one is a classic at this point
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true, i did not
sustained turn rate wise the f-5e is better
but the draken still turns a lot tighter.
It’s like saying “the spitfire outrates the zero”
so? the zero turns better lmao, don’t turn fight the zero.
what did you even test? instantaneous turnrate? sustained? i didnt even think about what you were
“testing” when i saw your post
I tested both, sustained and instantaneous. Sustained the f-5s are better than the draken, at slow speed they are not. Besides turning 100 meters wider.
if you were really testing instantaneous turnrate… well, i dont even understand your point then, instant turns dont really win 1v1’s
They literally do though, if you know how to keep the maximum time that speed at intervals by tapping negative elevator. It’s LITERALLY how the f-16a block 10 could win against the MiG29 in a 1v1 back then before the r27er was added. And this is how duelists do and where the “trim in sim” comes.
oh yeah thats a good copout, just say that the planes biggest advantage (its incredible horizontal energy retention) is worthless!
you don’t retain energy in f-5c below mach 0.89 unless you tap W.
it will get slapped like a baby by an f5 that can actually keep speed while turning
Where in this case the f-5 would need to turn with a 1000 meter radius and 22 deg/sec turn rate and the j35 would simply not engage, fly away and strike back, rinse and repeta, just like smart people do against zero players but I see you keep dying to them in faster props with better engines.
you didnt even try responding to that, you just posted instant turn performance???
just so you know, the draken will lose 2 times more energy in that instant turn
I do though? I’ve 1v1d my duelist friends in their draken with the f-5c and they always got my ass. The draken will lose 2 times more speed if you refuse to tap neg elevator. You simply never dueled in your life and it shows because literally the only thing you think about is that the plane that rates better while holding S will win the fight.
(yes i know that f5 gained a bit of altitude, i accidentally pitched up a bit)
arguing with you is pretty much pointless, cus you constantly tell bullshit and dont back it up
i will now post the funniest thing youve said recently:
Correction: I do 1v1s and somewhat manage instantaneous turn rate to have it the longest possible.
EDIT: Unless the draken has been nerfed once more in which said case I take back everything I said because i really haven’t died to a j35 in a dogfight since May 25. But I remember it used to slam the living hell of the mig19s.
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i legit dont believe anything you say
enlighten me, how would i circumvent the drakens high drag airframe?