Fair, how about give F-5A/C AIM-9J and send them to 11.0 along with NF-5A?
Even though the F-5C in USAF service had no chance to equip AIM-9J IRL, but if we consider that it already got granted AIM-9E and AN/ALE-40, things will not become that worse.
Personally, I think no F-5 should remain 10.7BR along with J-7D.
Which is what they said it would be.
US F-18C Early is modeled after those that were in Desert Storm.
Swiss F-18C is basically a 14.0 F-18 with a loadout appropriate for 12.7 ARB
why not just move up the NF-5A to 11.0 with the E. now, the J-7D is way more oppresive than the F-5C
The main stregnth of the F-5C is its gun and its ability to use it. Also its survivability.
Yes, in the fastest aircraft at 10.7.
Now try to do the same in something subsonic.
Probably should be 11.0. As an F-5E equivalent, but still doesnt mean the F-5C is all that fine at 10.7 either.
I don’t disagree about the oppressive of J-7D itself.
It should also go up to 11.0
force an overshoot ig. subsonics usually get acess to much better AAM so take advantage of that
And the cold fusion engines on the F-5C defeat those instantly.
Maybe if the F-5s had an IR signature and oculdnt defeat IR missiles whilst sat on full reheat like they didnt even have their engines on, that tactic might actually work.
99% of the time. If you manage to force an F-5 to overshoot, there isnt much you can really do about it
Yep, its a late without the high end missiles or HMD and sports a lower grade TGP.
Then suggest a CMS pod for it, like I did for all the missing features that the F/A-18C Early was missing.
Nah it was a scourge for a long while, bug report it, but like all the people that malded about the first versions of 9Js, enjoy your balanced missile.
Almost like the NF-5A should have just gotten Es too.
Nope, its a unholy abomination of F/A-18C blocks and is very much so a post Gulf War aircraft due to the fact that it sports the AN/AAS-38A, which was only introduced into service in 1993, a full two years after the end of the Gulf War.
even then it has F-5E type performance, i think keeping 9J and 11.0 is better
It didnt have any. Otherwise it would have the same CMs the GR3 has.
But the point is, in an ideal world. the Harrier Gr1 would be a lower BR to the Harrier GR3 and AV-8C and those would be a lower BR to the AV-8S and AV-8A.
As it currently stands, the GR1 should probably be 9.3 until they fix SRAAMs and give them IRL performance.
So they were good when no one had flares, but now everyone has flares they can suffer?
Also:
Community Bug Reporting System (obviously wont be added at full strength due to BR increase, but could certainly get buffed rear-aspect angles)
Community Bug Reporting System
Community Bug Reporting System
Still waiting for them to be fixed
I agree with that option as well, both could work imo.
I agree about that part of forcing an overshoot and use the missile is the only option for subsonics, but you know…
Subsonic jets which face F-5C generally have worse overall flight characteristics, because the majority of them are attacker jets or their fighter sub-variant.
Su-25, A-10, A-7, Harriers, SHAR, Jags, Etendards…
with current heat-sig model of F-5C, F-5C will usually finish them with the gun without overshooting.
Even if F-5C overshot, chance of Subsonics are low.
Anyway, when I discuss F-5C and its variants in 10.7
I face the ‘what about J-7D’ theory many times.
Feels like maybe some of them believe me as an acolyte of J-7D who wants to kill F-5C.
Well… I think I didn’t disagree about the ‘nerfing J-7D’ idea.
I agree that J-7D is a worse problem than F-5C nowadays (the population of J-7D is insanely big nowadays, according to statshark)
But, ‘Problem of J-7D’ doesn’t give indulgence to F-5C.
I believe both J-7D and F-5 need to be 11.0.
if AIM-9E is way too weak missile to send F-5A/C to 11.0, then give them AIM-9J as same as F-5E does.
I saw many F-5C players complain about their AIM-9E, so upgrading the missile to AIM-9J will solve one of their requests.
That sounds like a design flaw, what a shame.
Your ideal world, but not actual reality, quite funny as well that you hold the AV-8A on such a pedestal when it’s overall performance is nearly identical to the AV-8C bar the countermeasure load.
I see no issues with such, it would be interesting to see how it would fare.
Thats the standard everyone else on this forum seems to hold other vehicles to, if you dominated for too long said vehicle is permanently cursed to be OP regardless of how effective it is now.
Do find it quite interesting that you also ignored the actual F/A-18C Early statement as well.
The flight performance of the F-5C is inferior to the F-5E though. The F-5C is far from a bad plane but having exclusively flown against it (I don’t have the F-5C), it just doesnt live up to the reputation it’s gotten
Yes. I consider 240 CMs at a BR where not all even have CMs in an aircraft that currently requires mass pre-flaring to stay alive to be a decent buff over an aircraft with only 60 or even an aircraft with none.
The premium F-18Cs should both probably be 13.0 currently, With the F-18A going to 12.7.
In the future, if we get a decompression the Premium F-18Cs can be at different BRs, but at the moment they cannot realistically move to seperate BRs.
It may not be as good as when it faced Hunter FGA.9 or F-100D. I agree about that part.
The biggest part of their infamy was built up in those days.
But still, we both agree that F-5C isn’t ‘that bad’ in the level of Boeing or Pangolin claimed. right? XD
Yeah lol.
The F-5 is pretty bad at intercepting but great at dogfighting
Im just gunna link back to this I posted nearly 2 weeks ago.
The first step is to fix the problems with the F-5s which would include some rather healthy nerfs. With those on-board. I think the F-5s would actually be at the correct BRs where they are now.
Couple with a decompression of 7.0-10.0 region and hopefully stop all but the strongest subsonic aircraft currently at 9.7 from seeing an F-5C and also moving the weaker 10.0 and 10.3 aircraft like the Mirage IIIC further away from the F-5C and the game becomes a lot healthier for everyone
I can get behind IR nerfs and damage model fixes. But do you know how much the F-5 would be affected by FM nerfs? Since that’s the main selling point of the aircraft and if it was severely nerfed it could go 10.3