I wonder if usa/ussr are more meta than other nations on average in air rb?
(they are)
F5 aside from the thai leans more into dogfighting/gun and good aim in a bracket where some players might be leaning on missiles for a crutch (was me for a while and still is tbh). So it might feel bad in the hands of those players compared to other offerings at similar BR.
Also get punished for bad posisitioning and energy management more than other planes.
Just my guess as to why people would consider them “weaksauce”.
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it’s not necroposting if it’s still relevant.
I wonder if usa/ussr are more meta than other nations on average in air rb?
(they are)
Completely wrong, the meta between 9.7 and 11.7 is China with the j7d and from 11.7 to 12.7 is France, then from 12.7 to 14.0 it is a mix between France and China.
Regarding the j7d, it’s a MiG21MF which happens to outperform the mig21bis below 500kmh of airspeed and since it has no flare pod it is faster than the mig21 mf/smt. It also has four missiles that can kill phantoms and mig23s head on from 1km away. So moving the j7d from 10.7 to 11.3 will give it more success rate since 11.3 aircraft are hotter.
op is talking about the f-5c, which happens to be the worst of them all yet it shares br with all of them. It has less thrust than many subsonic aircraft, has horrible energy retention (you either trade speed or maneuverability, there is literally no inbetween) and it’s extremely slow. Except the American F-5C and the American F-5E all of them are good. Lighter, better engines, better missiles.
There’s no excuse for dying to an f-5c, even the su25 can deal with it as long as it goes without suspended ordnance.
Man, this sounds cringe.
F-5C always were and always will be one of the worst nightmares for jets which has insufficient flight characteristics.
If you evade AIM-9E from F-5C while flying Jaguar GR.1, you will die because F-5C will catch you up and gun you down
If you fly straight to not let F-5C catch you, you will die to AIM-9E because you flew straight.
I wonder why Gaijin don’t just shove AIM-9J to F-5A/C (USAF) for remove that gross ‘wdym it has AIM-9E’ theory.
Those bastards are nothing more than a gross chimaera with stolen countermeasures from ROC.
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how so? It gets kicked in the rears by anything that is not an a5c that decides not to rate fight. You can outrate them in mig21s, you can one circle them in crusaders, you can spiral trap them in f-4e and su25. F5C is not a good dogfighter, it’s a brick with wings that can’t decide between pulling 10g’s only or turning and burning all of it’s speed which can’t be recovered back in less than a minute flying straight (you will eat any kind of missile even while flaring) it literally takes 40 seconds to go from 600ias to 1090 ias in a straight line.
oh yeah let’s post a bunch of attackers while saying that my post is cringe, do you want them to even win against a hardwing phantom? Stop daydreaming. Hunters are great at dealing with f-5c’s. Case being they have higher thrust and better slow speed handling.
You claimed that F-5C is the weakest jet.
I am saying it is a blatant lie.
Maybe it could get an ahistorical AIM-9J just as ahistorical countermeasures did for buffing it.
As long as it is nothing more than a gross chimaera, just at the same level as Ho-ri.
What could possibly go wrong? :/
Hu?
11.7 the meta aircraft is definetly the Mig23MLD
12.0 is a mix between tornado adv, mirage f1C and F4S
12.3 is definetly F18 and F16
12.7 the mig-29 and F18 and Mirage 2000
13.0 is 100% the Gripen A
13.0+ gets tricky, but is fairly evenly balanced except for the F15C which should be 14.0
The 14.0s which are a step above most other aircraft except for a few are fairly balanced against each other, though granted the Rafale has the best missiles by far. Though china for example does not have a 14.0.
So. No?
But China is meta from 9.7+ because they have 2 actually decent aircraft at 10.7/11.3 is a bit of a over exegeration. A lot of their tree is actually quite weak or a C&P of US stuff. As for France, they are meta at 14.0, but are actaully fairly average performing until then. Sure, they are good missiles, but usually balanced by poor ammo count.
Yes the J7s are strong but to use them as an excuse for the F5s to be just as overpowered is kinda insane. F5 is in desperate need of a healthy round of nerfs, like giving it a heat signature
The F-5 remains the aircraft I hate fighting against the most, as they are strong gunfighters and very hard to kill
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The 9.3 hunter can force and win a 2 circle fight
and then you’d get another F-5 or something else supersonic dive in a kill you or literally anything will just fire a missile at you and kill you.
Ok but that is 2v1, a F-5 can also be crushed against 2 or 3 harriers if they are competent
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Except for the fact the F-5 can just run away from the Harriers. But the Harrier couldnt run away from the F-5.
Yeah, who would disagree that J-7D is strong and annoying?
Unless some shameless US main brought it up for nothing but to undersell their toy. :|
“J-7D IS STRONG AND NEEDS TO BE NERFED!”
But we will punish you no matter what you do, and it is fine, because it is your skill issue that you can’t even handle shitty junk with AIM-9E.
Oh, using missiles is futile because we have a cold fusion engine!
Feels like ‘Rules for thees not for us.’ :/
Yep, and whilst its not a BR i play hugely often. I see way more F-5s than I do J-7s
Well, to me, I saw J-7D more than F-5C maybe because the minimum skill ceiling required on J-7D is lower than F-5C…
But I believe that both jets are annoying factors which need to be dealt with eventually.
Maybe they can finally escape from AIM-9E while in progress. :/
yeah nothing comes close
The F-16A isn’t meta, aim9L only wont do much. Gunning people down takes too much time to be meta. F-4S does better and is 12.0
Id swap the F16A for the bison
Id swap the mig-29 for the Yak141, its the best 12.7
Gripen A is mediocre to bad for 13.0, the su-27 is the best, but the fox3 carriers are all good too. Sadly 13.0 is the most compressed BR
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Running away is not a viable strategy against multiple people because you will easily lose on tickets if they have 2 braincells
Was doing it more based upon Gripen vs any other 13.0.
If you can close the distance, then the Gripen probably would beat the Fox-1 or 3 slingers if given the chance. Between MP and Large CM count (though pretty weak CMs) it can probably close reasonably well, But yes, its a compressed mess and its rarely fighting 12.0-13.0s
Hypothetically speaking, the gripen would be in a very bad position while trying to close the distance to a flanker or even an F-15A in a 1v1.
Instead of a normal head-on merge, you would need to be notching and start a dogfight with someone lag pursuing you while spamming IRCCM missiles and/or gunning you down.
If you have a flat map you might be able to just ignore the missiles but even then its not foolproof, especially against R-27ERs with big warheads, and you would still start the dogfight in a much worse position that would probably end up in the same fate.
Now against the fox3 carriers, yeah they are all very bad in a dogfight except the av8b