Out of curiosity, who are those duelist?
XD is this guy’s mind, me being good in the Harrier against the F-5 means I’m bad at fighting the Harrier in the F-5 😂
I think you don’t have any kind of basic reading skills.
You claimed that someone who struggles to fight against F-5 while flying Harriers has a skill issue.
(Which is blatantly false in a regular situation if we consider the flight characteristic difference between Harrier GR.3 and F-5C/E.)
And that was one of the reasons why you claimed that F-5 is one of the worst jets in War Thunder, which can’t beat anything but A-7 or Bucc.
So I asked the question to OP, who also claimed F-5 are weak. For nothing but just checking. :/
And unlike you, He is well aware that F-5 has good dogfighting ability itself.
You may be able to frag one or two F-5s while you are flying harriers, if the F-5 player has a serious skill issue.
But it won’t change the fact that Harrier GR.3 and other Harrier I equivalents have worse general flight characteristics than F-5 and will going to lose the majority of dogfights against F-5.
Harrier GR.3(AIM-9G) has a better missile than F-5A/C (AIM-9E), so if Harriers can easily beat F-5 down as you claimed, is there any reason that Harrier GR.3 stays lower BR than F-5A/C?
10/10 ragebait moment.
At least OP knew about the flight difference between them and suggested ‘you should’ve flown with fighter jets like MiG-21SMT instead’ :/
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Man, I really can’t understand why the hell you’re spreading false information between F-5 and Harrier.
Harrier literally can’t beat F-5 in a dogfight unless Gaijin implements the IRL performance of Harrier into their FM.
Harriers can’t outrun F-5C because they are slower, so F-5C is the one who dictates whether to fight or not.
Harrier will not gonna outturn F-5C in the majority of combat situations.
Harriers may be caught off guard by using VIFF, but still, F-5C will have the dominant advantage over Harriers in most situations.
That is why Harrier GR.3 or American counterparts are staying 9.7BR, while F-5C is on 10.7BR, even though Harriers have way better missiles.
:/
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harriers aren’t underperforming by much, especially the early harrier ones that are only missing around 1 degree or around .5 gs of sustained. it’s more that the f-5a is overperforming by more than 3!!! degrees sustained at some speeds and should lose a lot more speed in turns like a mig 21
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Oh, Thanks for the correction, maybe my memories were concentrated more when Harrier didn’t have FM buff yet and was a missile bus.
But… Do the rest of my points still stand…?
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yeah, including the dogfighting part. i was just pointing out its less of that the harrier’s fault and its more how egregious the f5 fm is
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In terms of conventional FM. This is mostly correct I think.
In terms of VIFF based FM. Its got quite a few major buffs potentially in the works.
For example.
Angling the nozzles to 30° should instantly pitch the nose up by 20°. In game it does almost nothing
Likewise, when the nozzles are pushed forward. The decleration should be somehwere around 8ish x stronger than it currently is. Meaning you could force overshoots far easier. (Matrix has a source for this, though is highlighed in the source below as a legitemate tactic)
Sharkey Ward's Book
There are a few other issues with the FM as well, like I think we are still lacking a bit of thrust.
You are right though. In terms of the Harrier Vs F-5 fight. The F-5 is overperforming way more than the Harrier is probably underperforming.
But in terms of a 1v1 of say. FRS1e vs F-5C. (both 10.7 fighters). The other major issues would also include the lack of EEGS for the FRS1e and both aircrafts respective IR signature issues.
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It can, I’ve done it multiple times in the AV-8C. I’m not spreading false information, you just for some reason don’t wanna admit that you’re bad at playing the Harrier, and I really don’t understand why.
iirc, it’s only the F-5E that has EEGS, not the C
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The Sea Harrier FRS1e & FRS1 are currently missing EEGS. Was reported like 2 years ago
Would help a lot with the tricky nature of the 30mm ADENs
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That doesn’t mean it’s a better plane. It’s not hard to catch people off guard in the 16v16 mess. I’ve shot down several Mig-23s in a harrier but that doesn’t mean that the Mig-23 has a worse FM.
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Let alone just Premium F-5C players being bad at the game.
I’ve beaten F-20s on mutliple different occasions in fights I had absolutely no buissness getting even close to winning in the Tornado Gr4 because they just made loads of stupid mistakes.
The biggest issue with the F-5C is probably that Gaijin only looks at Player Stats and its a high skill curve aircraft. It can BS its way through some things, but it requires the right tactics to actually fly well.
You can kill any plane using any plane if the enemy is bad enough, just saying
It wasn’t just against American F-5s.
Just stop.
No jet shoukd be moved to the hell of 11.0 before all 12.0s get yoinked first.
I play 9.7 alot- harrier and t-2 and the uptiers dont exist. If they did.i wouldnt be having fun with no flares…
I used to play J7D alot - surprise again, very few downtiers. 10.3- 11.0 or 10.7-11.7 are its usual.
11.0 = every game 11.0- 12.0
8.3- every game 8.3-9.3
8.3 mig15 vs f104 or worse the MIG 19- the jet that just does everything same but better
11.0 = fighting vs 3 phantoms, 1 F3 and 10 mig23s is what you are lobbying for… £70 please.
Stop crying about mildly stronger vics while theres complete joke mismatches-.which the J7D isnt… (i dont even play the J7D any more really , but its a rare fun jet)
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I tried to play a load of 9.3 and 9.7 recently and I got full uptiers every single match. So I think you just got lucky
To be fair, I noticed that this depends on the time of the day. 9.7 and 12.7 are really prone to downtiers or 0.3 uptiers throughout the whole day except at night. It also depends on the nation too due to matchmaking.
Iv only played T2 for last few weeks- if it was uptiered often i woudnt have + KD.as im not good enough as has no flares… all the proof i need.
500 at a guess games in harrier… finished GB like 4 momths ago. But i still play 9.7 for fun to this day- fun not being vs 10.7
8.3, 9.3, 11.0 and 13.0 yes- all constantly uptiered
My experience is
9.7, 10.7, 11.7, 12.7 get the least full.uptiers
Why? Who knows.
Id put my life on 10.7 playing 10.3- 11.3 70% of games. Full uptiers 20%. The rest 10%
Also confirms… that i see 12.0 way more playing 11.0 then 11.3.