true, i did not
sustained turn rate wise the f-5e is better
but the draken still turns a lot tighter.
It’s like saying “the spitfire outrates the zero”
so? the zero turns better lmao, don’t turn fight the zero.
what did you even test? instantaneous turnrate? sustained? i didnt even think about what you were
“testing” when i saw your post
I tested both, sustained and instantaneous. Sustained the f-5s are better than the draken, at slow speed they are not. Besides turning 100 meters wider.
if you were really testing instantaneous turnrate… well, i dont even understand your point then, instant turns dont really win 1v1’s
They literally do though, if you know how to keep the maximum time that speed at intervals by tapping negative elevator. It’s LITERALLY how the f-16a block 10 could win against the MiG29 in a 1v1 back then before the r27er was added. And this is how duelists do and where the “trim in sim” comes.
oh yeah thats a good copout, just say that the planes biggest advantage (its incredible horizontal energy retention) is worthless!
you don’t retain energy in f-5c below mach 0.89 unless you tap W.
it will get slapped like a baby by an f5 that can actually keep speed while turning
Where in this case the f-5 would need to turn with a 1000 meter radius and 22 deg/sec turn rate and the j35 would simply not engage, fly away and strike back, rinse and repeta, just like smart people do against zero players but I see you keep dying to them in faster props with better engines.
you didnt even try responding to that, you just posted instant turn performance???
just so you know, the draken will lose 2 times more energy in that instant turn
I do though? I’ve 1v1d my duelist friends in their draken with the f-5c and they always got my ass. The draken will lose 2 times more speed if you refuse to tap neg elevator. You simply never dueled in your life and it shows because literally the only thing you think about is that the plane that rates better while holding S will win the fight.
(yes i know that f5 gained a bit of altitude, i accidentally pitched up a bit)
arguing with you is pretty much pointless, cus you constantly tell bullshit and dont back it up
i will now post the funniest thing youve said recently:
Correction: I do 1v1s and somewhat manage instantaneous turn rate to have it the longest possible.
EDIT: Unless the draken has been nerfed once more in which said case I take back everything I said because i really haven’t died to a j35 in a dogfight since May 25. But I remember it used to slam the living hell of the mig19s.
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i legit dont believe anything you say
enlighten me, how would i circumvent the drakens high drag airframe?
Out of curiosity, who are those duelist?
XD is this guy’s mind, me being good in the Harrier against the F-5 means I’m bad at fighting the Harrier in the F-5 😂
I think you don’t have any kind of basic reading skills.
You claimed that someone who struggles to fight against F-5 while flying Harriers has a skill issue.
(Which is blatantly false in a regular situation if we consider the flight characteristic difference between Harrier GR.3 and F-5C/E.)
And that was one of the reasons why you claimed that F-5 is one of the worst jets in War Thunder, which can’t beat anything but A-7 or Bucc.
So I asked the question to OP, who also claimed F-5 are weak. For nothing but just checking. :/
And unlike you, He is well aware that F-5 has good dogfighting ability itself.
You may be able to frag one or two F-5s while you are flying harriers, if the F-5 player has a serious skill issue.
But it won’t change the fact that Harrier GR.3 and other Harrier I equivalents have worse general flight characteristics than F-5 and will going to lose the majority of dogfights against F-5.
Harrier GR.3(AIM-9G) has a better missile than F-5A/C (AIM-9E), so if Harriers can easily beat F-5 down as you claimed, is there any reason that Harrier GR.3 stays lower BR than F-5A/C?
10/10 ragebait moment.
At least OP knew about the flight difference between them and suggested ‘you should’ve flown with fighter jets like MiG-21SMT instead’ :/
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Man, I really can’t understand why the hell you’re spreading false information between F-5 and Harrier.
Harrier literally can’t beat F-5 in a dogfight unless Gaijin implements the IRL performance of Harrier into their FM.
Harriers can’t outrun F-5C because they are slower, so F-5C is the one who dictates whether to fight or not.
Harrier will not gonna outturn F-5C in the majority of combat situations.
Harriers may be caught off guard by using VIFF, but still, F-5C will have the dominant advantage over Harriers in most situations.
That is why Harrier GR.3 or American counterparts are staying 9.7BR, while F-5C is on 10.7BR, even though Harriers have way better missiles.
:/
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harriers aren’t underperforming by much, especially the early harrier ones that are only missing around 1 degree or around .5 gs of sustained. it’s more that the f-5a is overperforming by more than 3!!! degrees sustained at some speeds and should lose a lot more speed in turns like a mig 21
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Oh, Thanks for the correction, maybe my memories were concentrated more when Harrier didn’t have FM buff yet and was a missile bus.
But… Do the rest of my points still stand…?
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yeah, including the dogfighting part. i was just pointing out its less of that the harrier’s fault and its more how egregious the f5 fm is
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In terms of conventional FM. This is mostly correct I think.
In terms of VIFF based FM. Its got quite a few major buffs potentially in the works.
For example.
Angling the nozzles to 30° should instantly pitch the nose up by 20°. In game it does almost nothing
Likewise, when the nozzles are pushed forward. The decleration should be somehwere around 8ish x stronger than it currently is. Meaning you could force overshoots far easier. (Matrix has a source for this, though is highlighed in the source below as a legitemate tactic)
Sharkey Ward's Book
There are a few other issues with the FM as well, like I think we are still lacking a bit of thrust.
You are right though. In terms of the Harrier Vs F-5 fight. The F-5 is overperforming way more than the Harrier is probably underperforming.
But in terms of a 1v1 of say. FRS1e vs F-5C. (both 10.7 fighters). The other major issues would also include the lack of EEGS for the FRS1e and both aircrafts respective IR signature issues.
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It can, I’ve done it multiple times in the AV-8C. I’m not spreading false information, you just for some reason don’t wanna admit that you’re bad at playing the Harrier, and I really don’t understand why.
iirc, it’s only the F-5E that has EEGS, not the C
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The Sea Harrier FRS1e & FRS1 are currently missing EEGS. Was reported like 2 years ago
Would help a lot with the tricky nature of the 30mm ADENs
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That doesn’t mean it’s a better plane. It’s not hard to catch people off guard in the 16v16 mess. I’ve shot down several Mig-23s in a harrier but that doesn’t mean that the Mig-23 has a worse FM.
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Let alone just Premium F-5C players being bad at the game.
I’ve beaten F-20s on mutliple different occasions in fights I had absolutely no buissness getting even close to winning in the Tornado Gr4 because they just made loads of stupid mistakes.
The biggest issue with the F-5C is probably that Gaijin only looks at Player Stats and its a high skill curve aircraft. It can BS its way through some things, but it requires the right tactics to actually fly well.
You can kill any plane using any plane if the enemy is bad enough, just saying
It wasn’t just against American F-5s.
Just stop.
No jet shoukd be moved to the hell of 11.0 before all 12.0s get yoinked first.
I play 9.7 alot- harrier and t-2 and the uptiers dont exist. If they did.i wouldnt be having fun with no flares…
I used to play J7D alot - surprise again, very few downtiers. 10.3- 11.0 or 10.7-11.7 are its usual.
11.0 = every game 11.0- 12.0
8.3- every game 8.3-9.3
8.3 mig15 vs f104 or worse the MIG 19- the jet that just does everything same but better
11.0 = fighting vs 3 phantoms, 1 F3 and 10 mig23s is what you are lobbying for… £70 please.
Stop crying about mildly stronger vics while theres complete joke mismatches-.which the J7D isnt… (i dont even play the J7D any more really , but its a rare fun jet)
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