MiG-23ML is kind of a monster in a downtier though tbf
someone didnt read the context
and i thought there was the end of the story and yet you seem to reply to me again and again
so is the F-5C becasue in a downtier ppl dont have missiles that could easily kill you
so they have to dogfight you
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because you could have grinded mig21smt instead of su17, because you could have kept using the mirage 3e instead of the milan, because you could use the fg1 with it’s skyflash supertemp instead of the vark, and so so on. I concede with britain but you have no excuse for the rest of nations, of which you also complained about.
edit: not supertemp my bad.
flew at 3km alt for a while and the speed topped out at mach 0.91
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thats fair, but the F-5C missiles can easily be dodged, and imo the MiG has a better speed + missiles + avionics combo to take advantage of a downtier
the F-5 still has a good flight model
sure the missiles it has can be easily defeated but that just means you fired at an aware target
and if you fire at someone that is aware of you, then you are using your missiles wrong
you could have a missile that pulls 100G but still be flared by a guy that is aware of it
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ah you mean this
it’s one of the most flown aircraft because it’s one the playerbase bought the most, idk what’s so hard to understand about it. And in case it’s offered to slot, it’s the same yet again, people think it’s good so they will choose it over other aircraft akin to the 10,7 gap
The J7D is there too, And there are 4 f-5 slots, while there are six (6) mig21 slots.
they dont even have to be aware they just have to turn in some way
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the same way you defeat the 9B, yet people still manage to get kills with it
luck and enemy being really dumb, you are in a downtier fighting some poor 8.x or being put in a situation where your dead no matter what you do
or you simply fire at non aware targets, that in itself is a skill as well
but yes there is some luck involved as well
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Yeah, i guess that 990m/s isnt fast enough for players that strugle in 10.7 jets.
Tf you mean “Best dogfighter in the game even without viffing”???
This must be the most retarded take in this whole post by a long shot.
I dont think i said anything about 1v1s, but okay.
You are factually wrong
Once again, you are wrong, go check from minute 20:20 to 21:09, maybe you missed the part where the F-5C engines are harder to lock than the G.91 although both use the EXACT same engines https://youtu.be/LXYMFpnt7tw?t=1221
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its why I only comment 1 line at a time if at all
So you have a KD of almost 3, now show us the list of aircraft you have such a good KD with and we’ll judge the F5C based on that.
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k/d don’t mean anything when it comes to skill imo, you can have a garbage k/d and still be good at the game
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this is it. But they don’t understand.
I have bad KD on the mig21s because i don’t care about KD’s, because I focused solely on getting the performance mods way earlier than any missile so that I could 1v1 with people, but notice how I have good KD’s on planes that aren’t good 1v1s (except of course f-5e and mig19s which are goated)
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Checked your profile, you have decent KD on most jets, good. The Boeing guy tho, he’s average or below average on everything but suddenly has a KD of almost 3 in the F5-C.
The argument here is, sure, good players are gonna do well on everything, even on jets that are overtiered or underperforming. However, the problem with the F5-C is that any average Joe can carry a match with it because it is simply really really strong. It’s as if the MiG 21 BIS got moved to 10.0, anyone could start doing headons with the R60M against flareless planes and get a great KD.
I don’t know what the argument is anymore in this thread, the F5-C already got lowered to 10.7, where it’s already pushing it. Do you really think it should be moved to 10.3 to fight MiG 19 and F100?
OP believes that F-5s are bad jets because they are more concentrated in 1v1 dogfights, which makes them not follow the meta.
If we consider his logic, maybe he believes that F-5s are bad jets since the moment he wrote this topic, and maybe it was one of the reasons he necroposted multiple topics about F-5C/E before.
Others disagree about his claim that ‘F-5C/E are weak’
Well, I feel OP is better about the discussion because at least he knows that F-5s are good at dogfighting itself.
Unlike the Pangolin guy, who claimed F-5 loses to everything except A-7 earlier than now. :/
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