To all who read this topic,
Thanks to the guy who cross-posted the same thing in two topics, there are currently two F-5C topics online.
Thanks to that, we need to check BOTH to find what he claims. :/
@Surbaissemaxxing, sorry for pinging, but will you please close this topic to stop cross-posts any further?
I suggested one to choose, but he just ignored…
According to another F-5C topic, he wants to put J-7D into 11.3 while J-7E becomes 11.7
It won’t change that they face F-5C. Stop bringing J-7D up to undersell F-5C ffs.
EVERYONE knows that J-7D is a problem now, just as you do.
wdym, according to my experiences in many 9.7BR jet
9.7BR planes can’t catch F-5 up, or reverse F-5, or run away from it, unless F-5 player played it as A6M and wasted all of his energy.
Dodging AIM-9E can be done, but it will eventually lead to F-5C’s gun range.
for some reason he keeps bringing chinese jets up, its like he has a hateboner for them or something
exactly, pretty sure NONE of the 9.7 jets can outperform an f-5
come to think of it, some of the 10.7 jets are completely and utterly outclassed by the f-5 (the jag comes to mind)
edit: remembered this GEM:
least tanky f-5c
Basically anything even slightly reliant upon IR missiles for its BR is useless against even the worst F5 because they have the easiest time defending against any IR missiles. Need to test it at some point, but I wouldnt be surprised if an F5 can flare a Magic II in rear aspect whilst sat on reheat from 1-1.5km
Shhhh… If you mention any attacker jet in front of him, you will be redesignated as an attacker main who has a delusion that an attacker can beat a dedicated fighter jet from the fighter mafia… :/
While he ignores that there is no other role than ‘being an inferior fighter jet and slaughtered’ for the attacker jet in ARB nowadays, and the British don’t have a proper fighter jet to fight against F-5C in radius of its BR.
Maybe he feels jealous about PL-5B of J-7D?
From looking at those SEP 0 lines, that’s not much of a mismatch as you make it sound.
They have similar rate speeds at slow speed and for the F-5 to have an edge in the ratefight, it would need to make big circles which might give enough room for the mig-21 to force the 1C into a vertical and stall the fight or disengage eventually if the F-5 gets slow. The mig-21 has better twr and is faster so running away mid dogfight shouldn’t be an issue since the F-5 can’t get into your six right away.
What the F-5 does well is getting in and out of furballs at high speed while having an easy time to get guns on target, for a 1v1 its not that amazing since it rates poorly at slow speed and has a hard time regaining energy.
I haven’t played any F-5’s outside the F-5A(G) and F-5E FCU, but the F–5E felt extremely powerful with x4 all aspect missiles and UFO flight model.
F-5A(G) was a similar experience but no level 75 crew to expert made it quiet difficult to utilize properly in dogfights, but can easily see it being just as easy to use if I had the crew to expert like I did for Japan.
yeah, thats the speed of whooping 400kph, the speed of basically falling out of the sky!
nobody ever would ratefight at those speeds, its straight up suicide
that’s why its good in ARB
i could have conveyed my message better, but the f-5 really does outrate a mig21mf in most cases
in no way is it a “bottom tier plane” as some claim
just to make it clear, i don’t think that the f-5c is some kind of oppressive plane in its br range, its just that the boeing guy claims that is woefully bad and that its bad at everything (yep even the guns)
Thats exactly about the speeds I see people dogfighting 95% of the time.
But what I mean is that while the f5 can have 18deg/s at high speeds in wide circles, its not enough to force the rate fight against the mig21 which is a superior 1c fighter with better twr.
Sustained turn rate isn’t everything, if you have to ratefight in wide circles, it gives plenty of options for your opponents to counter two circle by either trying to force the 1 circle inside your turns, or trying to offset the 2 circle, usually by going vertical.
or simply run away while you became a sitting duck. The F-5C appears to be nerfed too flight performance wise (it’s obvious that it’s damage model has absolutely been nuked, it used to fly straight back to base from midmap missing one wing, the entire vertstab and half elevator, now if you lose that tiny rudder piece it will start yaw left and right until you lose all the speed and crash. I’m not saying the f-5c should be busted again, i’m saying it’s now MORE fragile than anything else in the BR. I’ve returned back to base with a mig21bis the first times when I’d blow my wings off overspeeding. It also handles like a pig, so much worse than the f-5e, in fact i recall preferring to duel with the f-5c because it had better nose authority than f-5e, but now it is the f-5e the one that has better nose authority and better turn radius, because yes, the f-5c nowadays has the turn radius of a literal city. Split S’ing below 2000km and 1000 ias will get you killed by locking up and crashing into the ground, woohoo the f-5c’s former best move to dogfight peole and bring them to the ground to start rate fighting them is now dead, just like it’s rate fighting capabilities.
It also has an increased heat signature, aim9j’s and aim9l’s (and daily pl5b’s) will skip through the flares for how large the heat signature is. It’s a very bad plane that only good players can do good in.
yeah, thats the speed of whooping 400kph, the speed of basically falling out of the sky!
nobody ever would ratefight at those speeds, its straight up suicide
Around anything “figther”, pretty much everything outrates the f-5c because you either trade keeping mach 0.95 over having the turn radius of a city or turn a little tighter in exchange of shitting all your speed you will take over 20 seconds to recover back flying straight and never if you have to dodge someone or flare missiles away. I said the f-5c was the zero of supersonics but now i can’t even say it when it handles now like a phantom. Oh wait, WORSE, phantoms accelerate along f-16s, the f-5c gets out accelerated by me262 c2b.
me when i make things up on the internet
It probably has the coldest heat sig out of any afterburning jet in the entre game apart, and claiming otherwise is blatantly false.
It’s still massively overbuffed compared to real life.
Pulling a constant 11gs is the turn radius of a city? If you’ve played it, you will know that is plenty good enough, especially with the energy retention it has. Even the F-16 loses more speed in a mach 0.95-1.0 turn than the F-5C.
It’s almost like a plane with 2 powerful rocket engines strapped to it accelerates better than a light fighter from the 1960s.
me when i make things up on the internet
It probably has the coldest heat sig out of any afterburning jet in the entre game apart, and claiming otherwise is blatantly false.
Me when I expect to lock something else from 5km away wtih a rear aspect missile
The heat signature of the f-5c is no longer that small, i have no problems taking them down even while they’re flaring using r13m1’s.
It’s still massively overbuffed compared to real life.
Yes, still doesn’t stop it from being ass at dogfighting in air RB.
Pulling a constant 11gs is the turn radius of a city? If you’ve played it, you will know that is plenty good enough, especially with the energy retention it has.
G pull and speed aren’t related to how the plane rates. The Su27 does 13g’s at the same speeds the f-5c does 10 and has even wider turn radius. Why? because it doesn’t lose speed at all, while the f-5c DOES lose speed.
Even the F-16 loses more speed in a mach 0.95-1.0 turn than the F-5C.
Me when I think that energy retention is everything. For that then the tornados would be the best planes in game.
It’s almost like a plane with 2 powerful rocket engines strapped to it accelerates better than a light fighter from the 1960s.
The Swift F-7 is from 1948 and it literally accelerates better and has no rockets.
I’d say you have to be ragebaiting if I didn’t know who you are
It is the coldest aircraft in game by a long way. Do you actually play anything else?
I dont think i’ve ever not had an Aim-9L instantly go for flares against an F-5. even if its rear aspect and they are in Reheat, the worse case scenario for defending.
Though this does sound like Laddering, (which is technically ahistorical) but is present in game.So you are defending wrong
Jesus goddamn christ, @Boeing747Cultist, why do you make THREE F-5C topics alive at the same time?
It was two, and now it is three.
F-5’s all feel pretty weaksauce for game META
This one, which you necroposted.
The F-5C is no longer good
Another one which you created and were most active.
The F-5C at 11.0 is completely unfair
NEW ONE, which was created when F-5C was bumped to 11.0 via decompression, and is no longer effective since F-5C ended up with a buff being shamelessly reduced to 10.7.
@katyushá, sorry for pinging, but can you close topics #1 and #3 to stop his skirmishing all over the forum?
He is just posting on multiple posts about F-5C for nothng but complain about it.
and he already got warned about that when he did same thing about F-18C.
why do you like making claims that are easily disproven
i love how you just say things and expect people to believe them
