The F-14A is severely over-tiered at 12.7

The MiG-29 has an astonishing thrust-to-weight ratio owing to it’s large engines and smaller size, looping was the right thing to do, especially against the F-14.

Last time I was dogfighting with my friend, he’d consistently pull 16Gs on merge. If you can’t abuse turning like a Rafale then idk.

You have to be a little bit of uhh, let’s just say, a terrible pilot, to die to somebody who’s tactic is to do a cobra in the air and lose 1000kph of their speed. The 29 has decent (read: decent, not even close to the best in gen4s, even gen4s that are near it in BR at 12.7) AOA ability but to fully utilize this is like fully utilizing your AoA in a MiG-21. You will get 1 good turn off then die immediately if you don’t secure the kill. This is a bad FM overall to rely on.

You dogfighting your friend isn’t as strong of a defense as you think btw

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It is wrong in the first place to try out pulling a missile, funny enough, IDK what it is, could be AMRAAM for all I know, his radar lock never popped up. Also it does have the best kinetics so notching even a second late could get u killed.

It is technically feasible, just like all those other ones, like every PL5B carrier that never used it.

you can outpull aim54 tho and fakour as well, thats the funny part

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Yeah this. F-14A gets 9L and stays 12.7, F-14B gets 9M and stays 13.0 and the IRIAF gets R-73 and moves to 13.3. (Yeah I enjoy watching IRIAF one tricks cry, what gave it away?)

The F-14A was shown with AIM-9L in the danger zone teaser, I get why it didn’t get them at the 9Ls at the time, but now it’s perfectly fine to add them.

thats not necessary, it is not better than the f14b even with r73, and would be downright bad at 13.3

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No, no change for the other two cause they do fine.

Well I have never done it, it might look like u’ve out pulled it but it might just be chaff and notch. The real pain is with SPO15 where I don’t know a missile is coming my way cause he is too far up, not that I can’t dodge one.

yeah lets downtier the f14 and fuck over the entire 12.0 BR range woowee, as if the mirage F1 wasnt suffering enough…

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I only want them to move it to 13.3 because I like IRIAF one trick tears.

Hell they could just announce the change and revert it last minute, the crying about it is all I’m interested in.

The F-14B is definitely not fine though. The F-15A is straight up better at the same BR.

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lol when has BR compression ever stopped gaijin? Look at the US f8U (WITH COUNTERMEASURES) while the french (FLARELESS) one still sits at 10.0 :*)

ARH is so powerful though that many refuses better treatment. I meant no BR change, give it 9M and stay 13.0, 9L at 12.7 isn’t insane either. I mean we already have 4 AMRAAM + 4 9M at 13.0.

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The same can be said for tons of vehicles in this game. The BR brackets only have so much granularity. Two planes can be fairly placed at the same BR despite one being weaker than the other. Arguably though it was always a sick joke that the F-15A was downtiered to its current location in the first place, and if anything it should be going up rather than the tomcat going down.

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That’s not really a fair comparison. The F-14 wouldn’t be overpowered if it were moved down, unlike the F-86 and Mig-15/17, because rank 7/8 jets rely on missiles far more than flight performance.

There would still be many ways to kill the F-14 rather easily, especially if it gets close. Planes like the Phantom carry the same Fox-1s, and there’s many planes with powerful IR missiles, both front and rear aspect, that would serve as hard counters.

Although I agree that decompressing rank 7.0+ (and buffing the Aim-54s ffs) is the best solution, moving it down wouldn’t make it overpowered.

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With all this said, as true as it is, it would not upset balance to give the F-14B the AIM-9M which would mostly even the playing field.

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BRUH, mine doesnt work anymore

nah mine broke today after re-checking again too

W take i believe it just needs more flares 60 is not enough for those TF-30s

Maybe F-14A (USN) might not be overpowered in the broken level after sending it down to 12.3
(unlike these shameless Sabre gangs do.)

But,

  1. It will lead to nothing more than further compression
  2. Even though missile specs can be more important than flight performance in rank 7/8, some gaps can’t be sealed with missile specs. For example, between the 3rd and 4th generations.

Lastly, thanks for agreeing that decomp will be the best option.
After decompression, maybe F-14A/B can find somewhere better place to sit without breaking the lobby again.

F-14A when it was 11.3 was nothing but a joke. :/