The EBRC Jaguar should come with new features modeled (MULTIPLE POLLS)

As you may know, this update brings with a new addition to the French Tech Tree, the EBRC Jaguar. This is a particular vehicle for France that sports some features not modeled in the game and this thread is to gauge the community’s enthusiasm for some cool technology that this vehicle is currently lacking.

There are 3 features in particular that I want to focus on, and they are:

  1. Acoustic Detection
  2. Situational Awareness System
  3. Image Fusion

Acoustic Detection

Would you like to see this feature come into the game?

Spoiler

Pilar V is the latest generation of acoustic gunshot detector developed by Metravib. First seeing saw deployment with United Nations peacekeeping forces in Sarajevo, Metravib’s acoustic gunshot detectors are now in service with 30 countries including France, the US and UK, and have since been deployed to other combat zones.

Pilar V consists of four omnidirectional microphones arranged in a tetrahedron, each of which can be readily replaced. Each microphone separately measures the acoustic waves emitted by the muzzle blast when a weapon is fired, as well as the shockwave of the projectile as it travels along its trajectory. If a projectile shockwave is registered within a certain proximity to the microphones, the location of the shooter can be triangulated. Given both the shockwave and muzzle blast are registered, Pilar V records the trajectory of the projectile and provides a direction accuracy of within 2° in azimuth and within 3° in elevation. The range to the source of the threat is found to within 10% by measuring the time elapsed between the microphones registering the shockwave and then the muzzle blast.

A single acoustic gunshot detector achieves a detection rate exceeding 95% against supersonic projectiles over a wide spectrum of threats from rifles to 120mm cannons; RPGs to ATGMs. Each threat is classified according to calibre by analysing and comparing the signature of the projectile’s shockwave against a known threat database. The crew receives all information within a second of initial detection.

Threat localisation (especially in built-up areas) and detection rate can be further improved by fusing data from nearby gunshot detectors. If at least two arrays detect a muzzle blast but no shock wave (the threat is shooting away from the arrays) or only the shock waves are detected (the muzzle blast occurs outside the detection range of the arrays), the three-dimensional position of the shooter can still be obtained.

Onboard the Jaguar, Pilar V is integrated with the GPS and inertial navigation system to record the position of a shooter in relation to the vehicle even whilst the vehicle is itself moving. The acoustic system also filters out noise generated by the Jaguar to not produce false alarms, including outgoing fire. Through interfacing with the SICS network, outgoing from friendly units is also ignored.


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Situational Awareness System

Would you like to see this feature come into the game?

Spoiler

The Jaguar is fitted with the ANTARES laser warning and local situational awareness systems developed by Thales. This is situated at two places on the Jaguar (see below) providing a 360° external view of the environment.

ANTARES Characteristics

To enhance the situational awareness, two Antares hyper-hemispherical cameras are mounted on the roof of the EBRC Jaguar. Day and nighttime imaging is provided by visible near-infrared (Vis-NIR) CMOS detector which produces an image with a 5.5 megapixel resolution. This image covers 360° in azimuth and a vertical arc between -15° to +75. To improve identification capability, Antares is able to zoom in on a target. Using a combination of image processing and video motion detection, Antares alerts the crew of the Jaguar to various threats:

In an urban environment, a lone shooter can be detected up to 150m away at an elevation of up to 25m, or a moving armoured vehicle is detected up to 500m away. However, in an open field where the scene is significantly less cluttered, the detection range for an armoured vehicle increases up to 1,500m. IEDs (improvised explosive devices) as small as a few tens of centimetres are able to be detected by Antares a few tens of metres away from the vehicle, meanwhile a UAV with a diameter of a meter are able to be detected at a distance of up to 250m.

The Vis-NIR detector shares an aperture with a SWIR detector which is sensitive to the 0.9 – 1.7µm region of the infrared spectrum. This enable Antares to detect laser sources (such as rangefinders and designators) which typically operate at 1.02µm and 1.5µm. Due to being able to sense which pixel absorbs the most radiation from the laser source, the direction of the threat is able to be established within an accuracy of 1.5°. The distance to the laser emitter is measured with a guaranteed accuracy of within 3%, although less than 6 metres in most cases.

Muzzle flashes and missile plumes all radiate peak energy in the SWIR band. As such, these are able to be detected by the SWIR sensor in Antares. The energy radiated by a missile launch is sufficient such that it can be detected by Antares beyond the typical ranges which missiles pose a threat, at least 8km. Through using the same SWIR-based detection method, gunfire can also be detected. Large calibre cannon muzzle blasts are detected at similar ranges to missile plumes.

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Image Fusion

Would you like to see this feature come into the game?

Spoiler

For image fusion, the Jaguar would have an additional option on top of the two wavelength available currently which is a daytime TV and a thermal imager. The third option would be a blend of the two wavelengths allowing for the advantages of both wavelengths to be streamed at the same time.
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I must give credit to these threads for majority of the information present in this thread.
[DEV] EBRC Jaguar: History, Technical Data & Discussion - Dev Server “Spearhead” / General Discussion - Dev Server - War Thunder — official forum

EBRC Jaguar: Reconnaissance Enters the Future - Suggestions - Devs / Passed - War Thunder — official forum

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It’s in the community’s best interest to say yes, as we need to see Gaijin is willing to put effort into the game we play and we spend on

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I get that the EBRC Jaguar is highly anticipated, I was looking towards it myself.

But lets be sober about this.

EBRC Jaguar wouldnt be the first vehicle added to warthunder missing some of its features.

And in the case of the acoustic detection, its one of these systems that needs to be added en masse to as much vehicles as possible at once, not to a single vehicle.

There cant be only a single vehicle in game that is able to passively pick up direction of the enemies by the sound of fire.

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Ok, so you are saying that a vehicle that had its development especialy based on these very features shouldn’t have them added ingame?

As for accoustic detection, detection, you are the one that isn’t sober about it, the EBRC is the first vehicle with such a feature to be added to the game (unless maybe one or two others im not aware of) and you are saying that all vehicles should have this?

Some vehicles have LWS, though it wasn’t added to all vehicles “just to balance”, so i don’t see why it should be the case with accoustic detection.

So, yes, i’m for these features to be added

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We had ARH capable planes in game BEFORE addition of ARHs, which were added all at the same time to multiple nations. Acoustic detection should be no different due to possible impact on ground battles.

lol no. Acoustic detection should be added only to vehicles capable of acousitc detection. But it should be added only when there are enough vehicles in the game that have this feature. Not when it would be feature of single vehicle.

Remember, they wanted to add spall liners only to T-90M originally.

What other vehicles have it? I’m not aware any other ones exist.

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Ive seen some installed on german Boxer and CV90, but im not that familiar to name a specific system and vehicle that utilizes it.

Point is, such sensor would be entirely passive, wouldnt require LoS, and enemy would give its position by firing, which is one of the things you kinda have to do in this game. It could very well be meta defining, such as ARHs, so I dont see it coming to a single vehicle only.

But there’s no sense in saying other vehicles should also get it if it’s not known that other vehicles could even get it in the first place.

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Im like 99% sure french army isnt the single sole entity on this planet to think of acoustic detection on vehicles.

Well let’s be 100% sure then. Yes in principle it should be proliferated to as many vehicles as possible if other vehicles are proven to have this feature, but again, no sense in talking about possibilities here.

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The point of this thread is to add features to the game which in the case is a big part of jaguar, if other vehicles should have it then sure, i don’t know why you are pushing against.

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Glad we agree at least on something.

Way I see it, it is an important issue to talk about. Acoustic detection, as I already mentioned, very well could be meta defining, just like ARHs and spall liners were.

It would be like that other dude in Gripen E thread saying that Gripen E should be added now with its full EW suite and IRIS-T, because it was designed around them. Like, sure thing, no one takes that away from Gripen E, but if EW and IRIS-T on planes will come to game, they should all come at once. If Gripen E was added now, it likely wouldnt have EW suite nor IRIS-T.

And it is not like with the Su-25BM and R-73s where they were added on relatively slow platform, and event vehicle on top of that, to test the waters first (and even then, it was just thrust vectoring and IRCCM that made the missile special, but missiles were already in game).

I simply dont see gaijin adding entirely new feature due to a single vehicle being ingame with it; and I dont think playerbase should be asking for such feature to be in game on single vehicle.

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Okay so I looked into it, and Macekeek had responded to me and yes there’s the M110 Booker which also has been seen with the same acoustic detection system as installed on the EBRC Jaguar (Pilar V). So yes, M110 Booker should be added and also feature the same system along with the EBRC Jaguar. Not sure of any other vehicle having this feature.

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How so meta defining, at best it would help player to take a decision and/or do scouting, not to save them in anyway, at the end of the day if there is a merkava coming in front of you that you detected with acoustic detection you are not going towards him anyway.

Missing features? Get in line…

Ive also found a pic of CV90 with acoustic sensor from Microflown AVISA.
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So Id reckon there are lot of vehicles with acoustic sensonrs that could be added first, THEN the acoustic sensors can be added to all of them. Everyones happy.

Gee I wonder if having directional pointer towards each and every enemy that fired their gun within Xkm of me, no matter the LoS, could be useful.

I’m so confused, you want to wait for everyone to eventually get something in x years knowing gaijin that could get acoustic sensors before the mechanic being added ???

That is even worse.

It worked with ARHs.

It is not comparable with ARH…

The only potential op mechanic that jaguar could get is being able to launch akeron missile with his drone which was denied and it was not surprising with gaijin not modelling man in the loop.

Acoustic sensors is not op nor any of the mechanics asked to be added in this thread.