The double standard when talking about the Brimstone's capabilities

How is around 1k battles in rank 8 vehicles not enough?

Wdym? Ofc it is not. Look at this very high skill kill i got. It was very close, but i was the more skilled player, and i managed to outplay that guy.

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Lmao skill issue for that guy. Jokes aside its just definition of russian laziness and point n’ click simulator. You dont do anything yet still outperform any other nation

Tbh Tor was very simmilar, but recently i heard that something happend to it. I do not have it yet, so i cant check.
When it comes to pantsir its just funny to turn the brain off, enable missile auto mode and allow the game to do all the guiding for me.

Yea tor is bad. Even when i play a10c get scared more of adats or ocelot than tor lol

Speaking of actually, shameless plug but implementation of Barracuda MCS for vehicles that have access to it would help ground vehicles quite a bit as well and fit the reduced radar and IR signature thing the devs are implementing with the F-117 this update.

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Which each vehicle he rarely hundred battle?
and then he act like out of nowhere to know that vehicle well enough
Yeah 1k in this case it still not enough
I can see right through him when he say how some vehicles are so good when in reality it not

100 battles in several different tanks and planes is better than many battles in 1-2 tanks/planes. It gives you more experience and knowledge on the nuances of vehicles. 100 battles is enough to have a good understanding of a vehicle.

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Rarely reach that what it is
plus some vehicles he act like he know it so well
I had like 500+ battle on it alone know so well how it actually performs
And i can see right through his BS
so yeah in this case he said he use mav and surprisingly his mav intercept by pantsir and fire from 20km and said it equals to Kh-38 heh
Hard to believe really
especially MAV are so slow even Pantsir with more than a single brain cell can even see
Shoot it from 20km? pantsir have like almost a minute to intercept them there is no way his mav will never get intercept

bullshit name one thing the UK in game has better then the Russian tech tree

Rooivalk which only remains a lower BR than Ka-52 because it’s a premium and they don’t sell top BR premiums [worse decision Gaijin made was making Rooivalk a premium], Tornado GR4, Gripen, Harrier GR7 which was added 1.5 years before Su-25SM3.
If you want to talk lineups:
Britain’s 9.3 lineup.

wanna try that again the KA50 is a lower BR 11.3 vs the 11.7 of the Rooivalk and you get proxy fuse as well as being faster do you want to try that again

as for the KA52 how is that in any way worthy of a lower BR than it is

Ka-50 doesn’t have Mokopa missiles nor Thermals.
Heli PVP was removed from the game years ago making the proxy round that removes armor penetration from the warhead less useful.
To claim Ka-50 is anywhere as good as Rooivalk is pure Russian fantasy.

Rooivalk : Nope the Ka52 is better. Even the Mi28. The Vikhr missiles are the best in the game mainly because it’s beam riding where as the Mokopa though has better pen, it’s still suffers from the same drawbacks as the hellfire.

GR4: only standout feature is the hell… brimstones which arent good when there is enemy spaa. And again still suffers from the same draw backs as the hellfires

GR7: in terms of CAS is no where near as good as the SM3 because of the mavericks.

Griphen: is the only thing that is better than the Russian counterpart.

In case you forgot, we literally had this discussion not too long ago:

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The answer is simple “SPO-15”

Ka-52 fires worse AGMs, is just as fast, is a higher BR, and has the same thermal solution.
Vikhr is not even top 5 missiles anymore: Mokopa, SPIKE, PARS3 buffs, AKD-10, were all added to the game since AGM-114 and Vikhr were king. Vikhr has also been nerfed 5 times.
“But I can climb in my Ka-52 and get killed by SPAA instantly!”
Russian fantasy may make people think Ka-52 is better than western gear, but it isn’t. It’s at best on-par.
Unlike fixed wing aircraft, helicopters require no SPAA to exist, namely Ka-52, Apache, Rooivalk, and Z-10.

AGM-65D/Gs are what make the Harrier GR7 as powerful as Su-25SM3.


Test server statcard of you.
Neither of us can comment on the alleged bugged implementation of Brimstones cause neither of us has confirmed its implementation, all we can speak on its Brimstones IRL performance.

I will have the GR4 within 20 minutes, and start the testing of Brimstones within 2 hours.

actually the russian ATGMs are faster by about 70m/s with a slightly larger warhead adding to that the wonky damage model of the KA50/52

You mean the damage model that was fixed last major update… that no one complained about since last major update [except to claim helicopters are useless now].

Speed is not everything, yes the speed of Mokopa and Vikhr are nice, which marginally makes Mokopa the best missile in the game due to its other factors, but speed is at most an issue of hitting a tank before they go into cover, which if you setup correctly they won’t be able to do.

Please read the spreadsheet before talking about it’s engine performance. The Mokopa has a short burst where it will reach that max speed for a short time then decrease afterwards. The Vikhr can maintain it’s speed for a lot longer.

You always seem to gloss over the fact that the Vikhr is a beam riding missile meaning that it can still accurately hit the target even when behind in smoke. None of these missiles have that capability. It can also reliably hit target that is behind terrain features such as bushes, trees and etc.

Again all of the things I just said was mentioned in the post I linked in.

The hellfire hasn’t been king in such a long time. To say otherwise is nonsensical

The Vikhr has been nerfed multiple times because when it was introduced, it was historically inaccurate as well as extremely broken. Even after the nerf it is still one of the best missiles in the game. This is widely accepted by the community.

Again please read the post I linked in because I already debunked “But I can climb in my Ka-52 and get killed by SPAA instantly!”

This has nothing to do with real life bro, this is a game. Warthunder doesn’t represent the real world. People are not defending Russian equipment, they are talking about it’s performace in game not in real life. When you say things like this, you make yourself look like a fool.

Again with the mavericks… I’m not gonna beat dead horse. Majority of the community understand that the mavericks cannot be played like the KH38s. It needs to be played within the short to medium range for it to be used effectively.

Read this thread. I had a heated debate with someone and even he acknowledged that playing the mavericks at high altitude doesn’t work

I don’t need to play it when I can watch others. And from watching others, it operates the same way as hellfires. The only positive is the platform it’s being launched from. If you launch from mach 1.4, the brimstone will travel a lot faster however because of the missile itself, it will lose that speed significantly the farther it gets.

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@HondaCivici You seem to gloss over the fact that Mokopa is a laser guided missile, which means you can fire large salvos of the most potent helicopter AGM in the game. Granted AGM-114K has the best anti-tank performance of all these missiles, it’s just 8km hard.

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