The tree also represents whatever subtrees and similar attached nations it has. “France” is much easier to fit into the UI than “France, Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, and friends”.
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Frenchs dont need any leopards
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Here’s another thing, we don’t know what the 2A4 will look like in model.
We can assess that the 2A6 will be the Finnish model with different camos though, so that’ll be copy-paste.
I’ll reserve my judgement on the 2A4 until I see it in-game.
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France also doesn’t need VB1002, but it was added cause it’s cool.
AMX-13 HOT is also cool despite being hilariously not that useful.
You’re right.
I can’t see significant difference between AMX40 BR9.7 and the first Leclerc BR11.7. 2BR it’s a huge gap.
All Leclerc are 11.7, while Leopard 2, Abrams, T80, T90 are between 10.x and 11.x.
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The best Leopard for France is inarguably the 2A4, which is the only one I’ll come close to accepting. We don’t need any other variant.
But I’m against it because it will still be the odd vehicle in it’s line ups. As France is for the most part, a fiercely independent for military production and procurement.
Additions for the sake of additions adds unnecessary bloat and weighs down the rest of the tech tree.
South Africa added a lot of cool and interesting vehicles, but they’re occupying an entire branch.
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So be careful, I’m going to ask you an extremely tough question, in your opinion, is there more of a link between France and the Benelux or between Germany and the Benelux?
Militarily, their vehicles are of German origin and the countries collaborate with each other (a few exceptions for the plane witch are americans)
Geographically, France and Germany are both neighbors of the Benelux
Historically, although invaded by Germany during WW2, the Benelux is very close to this one
It’s true that this question would call into question my entire point of view on the matter. It’s still a Leopard
I will agree that the 2A6 isn’t necessary of the two Leopards being added.
And the reason I say two is Cockerill is very much a Belgian project, thus wasn’t going to be outside Belgium addition anyway.
I see thematic connections for either, but between the two I would pick France. Especially as Germany has a much fuller tech tree.
Swiss and Austrian stuff should go to Germany though. Spain should likely go to Italy. Ireland to UK. The only country in the general region which seems difficult to place is Poland, but ultimately probably USSR.
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Germany, USA and Britain as well.
Maybe, an " Other than Germany, Britain, France or Sweden European nations tree"
For tanks maybe but clearly not for plane
A lot of their Cold war Era weapon are french, Spain and Switzerland have more French equipment than the Benelux
And on top of that, we must remember that France is one of the rare “small” countries which makes a point of having its own military industry since the Second World War with very little collaboration or purchase of foreign vehicles
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That’s an entirely different problem for me. 😵💫
Completely losing Spain means losing a set of good AMX-30’s. Switzerland likewise means French equipment like the FL-20.
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Origin of equipment doesn’t factor in for me; this is simply grouping countries “thematically”, and whatever they happen to use comes along for the ride.
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And may I know the theme cause I don’t find it
Or how about adding a “personal” tree, where you can pick vehicles for each tier or each vehicle type from a pool of the vehicles that you already own, regardless of nation. Do some real “Commander in Chief” stuff. Have a budget . . . maybe use all those Convertible Research Points we all have laying around for that . … . say . . . that’s not a bad idea . . . lol. Anyway, would be fun & interesting to think about what you wanted to do for something like that. . … someone needs to make a suggestion for something like that . . more well thought out. This idea just came to me reading what you guys were saying about something along these lines . . .
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I’m not sure why you can’t, it’s one of those things that’s just intuitively apparent and can’t be explained by some technical thing or other. Like how all Commonwealth stuff going to the UK simply “makes sense”. Or all Nordic countries into Sweden.
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Someone had made a suggestion to put countries in Folder, as for vehicles, there could have been a folder including France as the main nation and a certain rank would have been required to start searching for sub-nation vehicles (a a bit like unblocking Israel), this idea is really not bad
That’s just a subtree but with added UI complexity.
In this case I suggest that we delete the Chinese tree because after all the majority of vehicles are of Russian origin and just have a different name, personally the commonwealth makes sense because it is a real gathering of countries , but the fact that the Netherlands, whose combat battalions are coupled with those of Germany, is found in France is completely beyond me
MILITARY: Dutch-German military merge (1) infographic (graphicnews.com)
Thematics is a more personal issue, but that reinforces the Leopard 2 and F-16 as having no place.
The Leopard 31105 would likewise go to Germany in my opinion.