What? Ground is over 90% unique vehicles for Israel.
2 copy-paste Magachs, one of which is premium.
And air has copy-paste, but there’s also less air than ground.
So air being 60 - 70% copy-paste translates to Israel still being mostly unique.
And China’s almost mostly unique as well.
@Mathll
The leaks have at least half of Benelux being unique.
for the moment the leak list announces as vehicle:
We are rather on 25% unique vehicles
Mirage 5 is likely unique.
We don’t know about 2A4.
The Mirage 5 will be a mix between the French version and a Kfir (depending on the version that is added, it is clearly not a new one, at most the HUD will be different), the Leopard 2A4 will surely be the same as that of the German tree, therefore not a unique vehicle
The NF-5A and Mirage 5 are unique (the Belgian F-16 could be somewhat unique too with Magic 2 and AS-30L but i doubt they’d add it)
How are they unique ? If it’s just new weapons I personally wouldn’t call it a new plane
For high tier air standards it is.
The Mirage has new avionics, different missiles, countermeasures and a radar jammer, and the NF-5A is a modified modified F-5A with a more powerful engine, AIM-9Js, maneuvering flaps, and they could even add an experimental rack that would give it an additional 2 missiles
Ground is over 90% unique vehicles for Israel
im sorry what???
did u have a change of heart bro???
arent u the same guy who said this:
All I know is I don’t want a tech tree that’s over 50% copy-paste let alone the over 90% that I see in this proposal
to this:
but not this?:
I don’t call it a unique plane, I call it a variant, or all planes are unique in the game
Cool, and how will it be used in the game, because to my knowledge no Jamer is modeled
so it’s an F5-E, it’s the same as the Mirage 5, it’s a variant of it not a new unique plane
You circled so many unique vehicles with red… what the?
Magach, Chaparral, all the tech tree Magachs except 1, Sho’t Kal Alef and Gimel, Tiran 4S, Machbet, Giraf, Rochev, M109 [was added with the other 109s], M51W, M51, Magach 6B Gal… are all unique tanks.
And you didn’t circle one of the copy-paste: Merkava Mk2B.
So of the tech tree the following are copy-paste:
Merkava Mk2B, Magach 3ERA, Magach 1, Sho’t, Tiran 4, AML-90, AMX-13, ZSU-57-2, Hovet, ZSU-23-4…
10 tanks out of 44 tanks. Not over 90% unique, but over 75%.
Chaparral, M109 were added at the same time as others so they can’t be counted.
bro…
im actually…
are you ok bro?
clean copied from american vehicles, doesnt matter if introduced at same time or later, otherwise, the pakistan tree would be 90% unique too
Variants and unique planes are not mutually exclusive terms. You can have copy-paste variants such as the French F8F, modified variants that perform differently, sometimes even warranting a change in BR such as the S-199, and you also have completely unique variants that are sometimes almost unrecognisable from the plane they’re based on, like the Swiss Doflug planes based on the Morane-Saulnier
American M109 and Chaparral were copied from the Israeli ones.
wrong.
109 was made by americans, chaparral was also made by americans, its literally an american chassis mouting american missiles (Aim-9s with improved seekers)
I agree with that, however here the differences are really minimal, the exterior model of the plane will remain the same, the same for the flight model and there will only be a change for the weaponry and the HUD (in the case of the Mirage 5). The NF-5A will be an almost perfect copy of an F5-E
For me a difference which makes an aircraft variant unique would be for example the evolution of the Spitfire, the Spitfire F mk24 is a unique model compared to the Spitfire mk1a, almost all the elements have changed, the engine is no longer the same , the flight controls are no longer the same, even visually the plane is slightly different
They were added at the same time, thus it’s equally valid to call the American ones copy-paste, thus it’s just smart not to.
The only one that wasn’t is Rochev which no other tech tree has that 3D model, on top of having a 50 cal.
theyre the original designers bruh, theyre not the ones copying.
and rochev is basically an M109A1 with a few visual differences
Nope, the Belgian (1970 and 1976) one also has a different nose-cone. The Belgian one looks different (including with the Raport II system). The ‘hull’ of the plane is also modified to fit these systems and is different from the export variant of the Mirage 5. These planes were also built in Belgian factories.
I’d call it unique.
It really isn’t, different wings for one. More missile racks for the other reason. (And it’s the Canadian design)
Also quite unique, but less visibly so, although it should handle differently from the US F-5A.
I understand you call the Mirage F1CT also not unique, same for the Mirage 2000-5F? Both already have a previous version in the game and both handle differently from these previous versions and have different weapon loadouts, radars and HUDs.
Then again, what is unique and what’s not can be easily made subjective. The game would be 90% or more non-unique very quickly if you hard-line uniqueness.
Sadly I don’t really think that’s the reason they decided to potentially add the BeNeLux.
I think it’s more to attract more players to France, which is one of the least played nations in the game, with almost 300-times less players daily compared to the US or USSR. (source for daily player amounts: WT data Project)
I refer to my previous post:
I agree, as the core principle for gameplay this should be the case!
Where we will most likely disagree is on what is unique and what is not. But that’s what the forum is for. :D
I’d call that a variant
Still a variant for me
Yep, these are variants, not unique
My way of seeing things may limit the number of unique aircraft, I can understand that you don’t like it, but yours implies that any vehicle can be copied and pasted with a different name and would make a unique vehicle.
