The F-16s will have no originality, although the Belgians used the F-16 block 1 which, if added to the game, would simply be the worst F-16
I don’t trust them for that
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Agreed, I definitely hope there’s more in the lower tiers. I’d love to see things like the Belgian T.15, armed with just a 13mm MG (not unlike the American M2A2).
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There’s a lot of trust in Gaijin that they have consistently failed to fulfill.
With BeNeLux comes a lot of unique vehicles, but a lot of copy-paste as well.
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Today, Top tier battle are soviet tank and german tanks at 80%.
Tomorow in name of diversity, it will be soviet and german tank at 100% but with different camo.
Adding Benelux to France is adding Leo to France, Adding Spain and Serbia to Italy it’s adding more Leo and more T72 to Italy, while Ariete is invisible on the battle field.
We can add Poland to Britain so Brit can play leo and T72. Plus we can add Ukrain to USA and Americains can play leo and T80.
It will be so sad.
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It’s just a prototype, like AMX 13 2x20mm.
There is a lot of real french SPAA can be implemented.
VLRA Mistral used by France
VBL Mistral Albi used by Oman
AMX 13 DCA with the AMX30 DCA turret. This AMX13DCA was used by France, while AMX30DCA is for export.
VAB 20mm used by France
AMX 30 Roland, the true version used by France with the same turret than the American XM975prototype(M975 in service) and the German FlaRakPz1 , not the one edited and downgrade by Gaijin.
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Can’t agree more, In addition, we can send Leopard 2 from Singapore to China, Leopard 2 from Indonesia to Japan, Leopard 2 from Canada to the United States, and the Soviet Union should also receive Leopard 2. They are already in Moscow. Gaijin can even add these Leopard 2 as a separate version, The Leave list will only have Leopard 2, I can’t wait to see such an update.
France arm lots of armed vehicles, that depends on Gaijin’s willings, such as Jaugar wheeled combat vehicle, adding German made ones absulotely is not a good idea.
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Is there even a definitive confirmation that france is getting a new subtree? afaik we’ve only seen “leak” lists mentioning it
It’s look amazing! And the 2 guns will kill the frustation when the IR can lock on heli at medium range.
Does it in service in some country? Because There is a lot of prototype in the game, but there is also many real french SPAA IRL.
I’m pretty sure it was only a single prototype.
But I would say this is unique enough to ask for.
The only other prototype spaa that seems interesting is the AMX-10 RAA.
That’s not so called Soivet Union dude, it died in 1991 over 30 years ago.
Egypt (but on M113)
It still doesn’t make sense to add Dutch vehicles to the Frensh tree.
BeNeLux wise there are more then enough vehicles to form a full tech tree with a lot of unique vehicles. And not to forget, the Frensh have a lot of unique vehicles that would have been cooler to see in the game.
But for a subtree, it would only make sense to add the Netherlands under the German tree. Reason for this is the Germans and Dutch have worked close toghether in the past. A few years back the Dutch and German army even made a mixed tank squadron with crew from both countries operating in the same vehicles. This coöperation is only getting bigger as time moves forward.
Ground wise adding the Netherlands under Germany would result in getting less copy paste leo’s. And for example more boxer, fennek, cv90 (dutch variant), different (Dutch style) m113 platforms and other unique type vehicles.
Air wise, Germany hasn’t really got a good high tier (ground strike for example). Adding some Dutch rnlaf vehicles could bring that tree back up to speed with the rest.
Still the best option is a seperate BeNeLux tree offcourse.
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We don’t need a sub tree for France.
Gaijin just need to stop fucking us and give us French designs.
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Worst part about all of this is that it’s seems like gaijin is way too keen to make every tech tree similar.
Uniqueness is what makes the trees special, at this point, why even bother with them if they’re going to ruin it like that?
That’s why I personally hate the idea of tech trees being focused on national rather then technological.
Everyone will be so similar that there’s becoming less and less theme between the tech trees.
Why even bother grinding different tech trees if they have the same vehicles? Likewise, why should I grind for a unique vehicle that is a modification of a vehicle from another tree?
Which everyone is fine with until unique vehicles appear and then start fighting over them.
Subtrees are “supposed” to be used to fill gaps when there isn’t anything else as well. But South Africa was the first and breaks that rule, France will be in a similar situation. We have the vehicles waiting to be added, but there’s still nothing.
So everyone is suspecting that if BeNeLux is added, then it will only serve to add copy-paste because they can’t be bothered to model domestic French vehicles.
No one wants to see Leopard 2’s or F-16’s in France, except for people that want their national representation or additions for the sake of additions, which most of what it does is add a roundel to the game that can be done in a better way.
BeNeLux has plenty of unique vehicles to give France, we don’t know what they’re planning though. Gaijin could be cooking up something that makes France a major nation or make us functionally FUBAR.
The K21-105 and 120 are both great vehicles that I previously didn’t think about for example. Which is why I support OPs suggestion as it has actual thought put into it.
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Agreed (mostly). I think the Mirage 5 BA is fine, though I would like to see the Mirage 5 BA (MirSIP). As for the F-16s, the fact that France is getting them is insane. This is not like Italy and Japan which needed copy-paste fighters. France has the Mirage 2000s which are incredibly good fighters and the Mirage 4000 which is also extremely good. The NF-5A is fine. Whatever. It’s a 10.3 premium and I don’t care. I can tolerate it. The Leopard 2 Cockerill 3105 is also great, but I agree that we should also get the K21 (Cockeril 3105). As for the Leopard 2 A4 NL and 2 A6 NL, I really don’t like them. The 2 A4 NL doesn’t even have a lineup and only exists to create a vehicle to run the Leclerc Ares with when that inevitably is added as a premium. The 2 A6 NL is a necessary evil, emphasis on “evil,” but only for as long as it takes for Gaijin to actually fix the Leclercs and I would much rather just fix the damn Leclercs than to give us a 4th nation with Leopard 2s, especially considering Italy will definitely get the Leopard 2 A7 HU at some point (and unlike France, the 2 A7 HU is an actual necessary evil for Italy).
I think this whole thing is indicative of a really dangerous trend. We started with South Africa which had unique stuff at every rank with a single copy-paste vehicle, the Eland 90 Mk. 7, to fill a gap in the tech tree. Then we got Finland which was all copy-paste except for the Vickers Mk. E, T-26E, and BT-42. Then we got Hungarian ground which was slightly better, having 4 unique vehicles with the Csaba, Turan I, Turan III, and Zrinyi II. Then Hungarian air which had literally nothing unique and was all Soviet stuff with a JAS 39 at the top. And now we have BeNeLux with 2 and a half unique things: the Fokker G.I and Leopard 1 (Cockeril 3105) which are actually unique, and the Mirage 5 BA which isn’t unique, but is acceptable because France made the Mirage anyway.
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The leopards aren’t even a necessary evil. They’re just being added because it is easier than doing shit properly.
Could add some French light tanks, and then Leclercs would be workable until fixed because at least you have something that isn’t a Leclerc. Still fix Leclercs, but this would make it workable even without leopards. Alongside actually giving us shit we’ve been asking to receive for a fair while.
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I agree, I think the sub-tech tree should be added with a new experience rather than a rough copy, for me I have already experienced F16a and Leopard 2, and it would be a disaster for me to roughly copy these vehicles into the French sub-tech tree, and there are not a few players who are in the same situation as me