With the VE day sales I decided to grab myself the Black Prince and its a incredibly hit or miss vehicle, in downtiers you’re competent but in HEAT slinging uptiers you’re pretty redundant and furthermore a weight for the team.
The mobility is absolutely atrocious but it trades mobility for armour at least - oh wait, everything can penetrate you at around 6.0 anyways? Well the gun has good penetration at least right? No, APDS loves to shatter and has incredibly mediocre angled penetration.
The biggest kicker is the fact the Churchill VII at 4.7 has VERY similar armour profile to the Black Prince, yet one sits at 6.0 and the other 4.7. This thing could and should move down to 5.7, the turret armour is mediocre for a heavy tank at 6.0 and the hull armour is average at best.
My advice for people? Don’t purchase the Black Prince, go for something like the British M10 which is on-sale for a decent price and is lowkey overpowered at 3.3.
Honestly, if there EVER was a Argument for a Fake tank to be added to the game, its the Upgraded Black Prince with the Meteor engine.
At least with that 600hp engine it would be capable of around 21mph.
And its not like its entirely fake, the Process to upgrade it was already started on I believe Black Prince #3, and the plans exist for the Upgrade. So its not like its something that was just a crackpot idea.
APDS 17 pounder warrants the 1.3 BR increase.
Identical armor, different weapons: M4 Sherman vs Sherman Vc.
And the Black Prince is more mobile than the Churchill VII at that.
The Black Prince remains one of the best 6.0s in the game.
Having turret armor usually only see on 6.3 and 6.7 heavy.
The APDS doesn’t work properly, And the armor is actually WORSE than the Mk7s.
The turret has worse Armor modifiers, making it far weaker. The mantlet has a Effective thickness, with the screwed up modifiers, of like 140mm. Meaning 76mm Shermans and PZIVs can pen it up close. (hell ive been penned and killed by a 76 Sherman at nearly a km so)
And saying that the BLACK PRINCE is more mobile than a tank 10 tons lighter, with the same engine… HA!
@Heavytanker1945
And the Leopard 2A5 uses the same exact gun as on 8.3s.
Your point?
Black Princes reverse speed actually exists, but you wouldn’t know this unless you played it or did research prior to posting.
@TPS_Hydra post ragebaiting me with false accusations.
If the Black Prince was anywhere close to bad it wouldn’t be my average KMR and KDR among heavy tanks.
Good armor, great APDS round, meta reload, best mobility of the Churchill platforms due to having an actual reverse gear.
I gotta defend Black Prince from blatant misinformation.
If the Black Prince was anywhere close to bad it wouldn’t be my average KMR and KDR among heavy tanks
KDR isn’t a good statistic for evaluating vehicles performances, I have a KDR of like 4 with it and I still can tell its mainly skill carrying my performance and rather the vehicle itself, people at this BR are near talentless.
If we measured vehicles via KDR then this game would be incredibly insufferable lol, stop ragebaiting.
@TPS_Hydra
Your KDR would be higher in all other heavy tanks if it was bad.
In a cross analysis of all 6.0 heavy tanks, Black Prince is good in that regard as well.
Everyone? Unless you equate to multiple people which wouldn’t be exactly healthy the only person arguing against my point would be you - gaslight final boss. I don’t play heavy tanks below 7.7 much myself so a comparison wouldn’t exactly work.
Like I said prior anyways, KDR is a very bad method to measure the performance of vehicles.
@TPS_Hydra
Everyone that wrote statistics and cross-analysis course material and textbooks.
Everyone that acknowledges cross-analysis is the standard for comparing vehicles.
Everyone that acknowledges KDR is a loose indicator of if something is OP.
I am not all of those individuals, I can’t as the time required for an entire planet would be impossible.
Tiger 1E has significantly worse armor, a worse gun, a worse reload, and has a mobility buff.
All your posts do is falsely accuse people of things as a way to intentionally upset them, AKA baiting.
Zero of my posts have false accusations against you, because I have zero interest in you being upset.
Armor of a 4.7 (Arguably worse due to broken armor effectiveness)
Gun of a 2.7
Engine from a 4.7, yet its 10 tons heavier, and a 1mph faster reverse gear is not that good.
Even recently it got nerfed when they made its suspension alot more bouncy, meaning its alot harder to fire on the move, which was one of its best attributes.
And yeah, I have a high KD in mine, but anyone who is a oldschool veteran like me does, because these days the game is full of people who have no idea what the hell they are doing, top to bottom. So its easy to get kills if you know what you are doing. That is why balancing off KD ratio’s is not a good thing.
A worse gun? You mean the Nuke throwing bull that can lol pen my Black prince? Or sometimes doesn’t even PEN and nukes my crew? really? That is your comparison?
The Tigers have been busted ever since they added overpressure to APHE rounds.
I love how Alvis always resorts to flagging messages which contain even the slightest amount of offensive wording because someone simply disagreed with him, it’s honestly just a fact that the Black Prince isn’t a meta vehicle at 6.0.
Just move it down to 5.7, it’s not like we’re asking for something crazy lol.
Leopard 2A5 has the gun of an 8.3.
Engine worse than an 8.3.
Tiger 1 has the gun of a 4.0.
Engine of a 2.0.
Those arguments are negative, you can’t compare incompatible platforms. A 75mm gun is never equivalent to 17 pounder. And 5kph, 3MPH more reverse speed is massive. The pen advantage is massive.
And thanks for admitting the Black Prince is good by citing your stats.
Also I’m glad you agree with me about KDR in a vacuum.
@TPS_Hydra Resort to liking* your posts that disagree with me in a civil manner, cause I love it when people share different perspectives.
BT-7M has a 600HP engine, and War Thunder’s traction is simplified at this time to where power to weigh matters most regardless of engine type or track type. Though there is torque advantage based on engine type, it’s sadly minor compared to outright power to weight.
These people will tell you that you are wrong mate
So everyone who shares your bias will agree with you…that is a starnge argument to make
“A indicator” as in 1 part of the whole and meaningless if taken out of the rest.
it is amazing how you disprove your claims in your own posts.
KDR on its own is a meaningless stat. My Conq stats are the prove of that.
They do not reflect the performance of the Conq at all, as they are entirely achived via cheesing the system and actively not participating in the game as intended.
The 88 is far stronger than the 17pounder… What are you smoking. It has better angle pen, better post pen damage and a compareable reload. Flat pen is about as usefull an indicator of gun performance as KDR is XD
@_Baum
Those people gave me an A in college. And by bias your post mean liking British vehicles and data.
The 88mm gun has half the pen on a slower. The reason why Black Prince is so good in the offensive is because of that pen and fire rate. You can ammo rack, breech, gunner so quickly compared to other tanks.
It is okay for us to disagree.
It is not okay to belittle others over disagreement.
