Thats actually more of an answer than I’d expected, for better reference the motor ran decent initially and then I’d ordered a new carburetor for it and went thru two before deciding to not buy one based off the origjnal and rather adapt one, besides that its also likely an issue of one of the tubes not being sealed properly cause only god knows how old those are. Anyways this is a warthunder forum, not a Ford forum and that was actually a lot more of a response than I’d actually expected
Making the Black Prince faster would raise it’s BR not lower it
The 17 pdr is good feature in this game and always gives bad vehicles higher BR.The BP is heavily armoured there is no doubt.
It is probably only 6BR due to it’s ridiculous low speed or it would be higher.
If were more common it might be higher.
At 6 BR it can face 7 BR which will make it’s armour redundant and at 5BR it’s op for the best part if used correctly.
I am not interested in going into an " I used to be a tanker" or “I am an engineer” etc just staying within the remit of the game.I really think the BP at 6BR is right considering where the Cobra King is now.I don’t see the BP getting raised or lowered.
You have Artillery at 6BR which is one shot killing any heavy at 6BR now and it’s making armour a moot point.Same with the German armour which has always been my fascination so to a degree I share your frustration there.
This reinforces my point that War Thunder has gone too far into fantasy land with out of era time travel matches and prototypes that never saw a days action.
With the map destruction and copy paste spam we have a game very quickly going down the toilet and your currant lack of joy playing the BP seems like another example of it.
How many posts on here about the pointlessness of heavy tanks particularly in the uptier?
So at range you are not going to 100% be a good shot as the 17pdr is relatively more inaccurate at range.
Pixel perfect shots are influenced by RNG and scope limits ability (comparatively).
Of course, 6.0 is fine now, lots moved up around it.
Though to be fair heavy tanks were worse in this regard previous to these complaints.
Always been a bad idea to use most heavies in an uptier, since forever.
Full downtier meant you were very short on SP and one early “death” was you out of the match, which meant being more careful/thoughtful as opposed to the more brain dead modern WT (not tiers, the way it is played).
Quality of player reduction = all goes to hell.
THIS is why AB and RB Ground have Lineups. You pick depending on situation; but new players don’t appear to want to ever think so we get poor experiences, and no new modes of missions, no good maps. Gaijin make what fits the masses, others just find disappointment.
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i get decent hits at up to 2.5km with the 17pdr APDS, I understand its limitations as its such an early sub calibre but its not anywhere near as bad as what people say
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I certainly believe you have to choose correctly according to tier. It’s something I learned from better players.
Also we don’t really know what map we are going to get do we?
If we are feeling like playing a particular tank then it’s luck what map we get and at what BR everybody else will be.
I do think overall 6BR is about right for the Black Prince all things considered.I rarely encounter them.
I find not sometimes if you are going for pin point shots. And sure you get shots/kills but sometimes I find it can be a little random if trying to hit a spot or near it after the first one and just missing ammo or whatever (enemy in a wonky angle so little to work with situation).
Then I have shot randomly into smoke after never seeing the enemy until the smoke pops but get a OHK on them 🤣
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I don’t understand the 17pdr inaccuracy thing at all.
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im just trying to tag them for assists and do harrassive fire at those ranges, CQC is my bread and butter
i know right i think its people used to APFSDS trying it out
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Yeah they are used to that post pen and the big bang.Solid shot does induce some real WTF moments for sure.
I maintain playing with shot is a different game.France and the UK. It’s actually quite scary in many ways. Shot and a lightly armoured tank certainly focuses the mind.
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the vote on the APHE change was a no because people would have to aim better, like you’re playing solid shot, people like point and click and don’t realise how scary a seasoned centurion or AMX 50 player truly is
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I think you are right. I play Germany and Russia mostly but as a Brit I feel I have to do my duty occasionally and its a culture shock for sure.
My answer would be to introduce wind into the game as a feature (outside the tank not inside, had enough of that for real ) .That would take the fictional accuracy out of it all.
Not wishing to go OT but I think the vote was due to a current lack of trust in Gaijin overall when it comes to changes.
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I forget whether or not APDS spalls but those things are a little scary, especially from Conquerers with their 500mms of pen
i played a fair bit of germany but couldn’t take the abysmal teams beyond 6.7, APHE is so easy in comparison to solid shot its stupid.
A lack of trust in gaijin will never change but we cant ignore that a lot of people know and saw APHE having the chance of having accurate splash as a nerf because they cant just one shot a cupola anymore
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it spalls a fair amount, not as much as it probably ought to but its still quite punchy with a good aim
Yeah I haven’t played an APDS slinger in a long while. Its not APFSDS levels of spall but enough that landing a good hit could easily take out a tank
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From what I can see from solid shot it in itself does nothing post pen except cause spalling. The Shot itself does not seem to whizz around inside the tank post pen.
I might be wrong.
The way it passes through soft skin vehicles is odd as well.
I saw a film of somebody firing solid shot from a Sherman into a pick up truck and it was a mess.
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Raising its speed would arguably make it worse at times, The Suspension on the Prince is very unstable.
And one of the main benefits is its ability to fire on the move quite well, If it was made faster it would be a bouncy mess that would be horrible to shoot unless you came to a dead stop. Which would give the enemy a chance to aim properly and disable you.
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I admire your passion for an English tank and English engineering. British people are dreadful piss takers and have a self mocking humour. All we can do is joke about much of the equipment we are asked to fight in and British cars.
I really can’t see why the BP would come down.I am sure like many you are good with it.You know how to squeeze the best from the vehicle and not make it something it is not meant to be.It will play at 5BR quite often as well.
I find it to be a tricky opponent especially now so many maps are narrow with few flanking opportunities.
I think when it goes to 7BR we are all screwed in our WW2 heavies what ever nation.
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