I admire your passion for an English tank and English engineering. British people are dreadful piss takers and have a self mocking humour. All we can do is joke about much of the equipment we are asked to fight in and British cars.
I really can’t see why the BP would come down.I am sure like many you are good with it.You know how to squeeze the best from the vehicle and not make it something it is not meant to be.It will play at 5BR quite often as well.
I find it to be a tricky opponent especially now so many maps are narrow with few flanking opportunities.
I think when it goes to 7BR we are all screwed in our WW2 heavies what ever nation.
It’s high time to send the black prince back to 5.7 , his armor does not exist against German guns due to right angles, even a diamond does not save because of the 152 mm turret. but even this is not the reason for sending 5.7, but the damn m109, which push through any projection with fugas and destroy it with one fugas.my suggestion is to take away the penetration from sv mk 1 and send it to churchill 7 on 4.7,I do not understand why churchill 7 on 4.7 with overhead protection but without penetration, and black prince on 6.0 without armor and with a point projectile against fugas and fast equipment, with piercing projectiles
I know is Battleships grade steel because the Black Prince’s armor plates were too big for Vauxhall to press out them selves, so they sent a order off to a ship yard to make all the plates for the prototypes, Using the same manufacturing techniques that went into Battleship armor.
The Surface hardened thing is just common knowledge, basically every British tank during WW2 had surfaced hardened armor, they were the Pioneer of the technology.
As for the Live fire tests, id have to try and find the source for them, I’ve read about it in a book at SOME point, but have not a clue what book.
What you’ve stated is interesting, but is not a source. You are simply stating things but have not provided actual evidence.
The only tanks I’ve ever heard of using surface/face hardened armor during WW2 were German ones. Searching online I’ve find nothing about British WW2 tanks using such armor. The only information I’ve found related to British surface/face hardened armor comes from WW1 tanks, so you might very well be right about them being the pioneers of this technology, but as far as I can tell they simply did not use it in WW2.
The only thing I’ve read once is that on British tanks with rivetted armor, the outside plating is harder while the inner frame that supports the armor plates is softer.
But this is not the same as surface/face hardened armor, where is a singular plate of armor, rather than two, where the front/face has a higher hardness than the rest of the armor plate. Additionally, I don’t even know to what extent the difference in hardness is true. Most of what I’ve seen points towards the frame being of very soft steel while the armor itself has normal hardness compared to the RHA of other nations.
Additionally, the usage of penetration/protective caps (the C in APCBC or APC) effectively countered the effects of face hardened armor. This is because this type of armor works by trying to shatter the projectile before it hits the rest of the softer, more absorbant armor, while the protective cap works precisely to prevent such shattering by pretty much acting as a cushion, which made face hardened armor no better than normal RHA, potentially even worse. Seeing as almost every single German armor piercing round of WW2 is either APCBC or APC, I doubt that face hardened armor would’ve provided any meaningful advantage.
With the VE day sales I decided to grab myself the Black Prince and its a incredibly hit or miss vehicle, in downtiers you’re competent but in HEAT slinging uptiers you’re pretty redundant and furthermore a weight for the team.
The mobility is absolutely atrocious but it trades mobility for armour at least - oh wait, everything can penetrate you at around 6.0 anyways? Well the gun has good penetration at least right? No, APDS loves to shatter and has incredibly mediocre angled penetration.
The biggest kicker is the fact the Churchill VII at 4.7 has VERY similar armour profile to the Black Prince, yet one sits at 6.0 and the other 4.7. This thing could and should move down to 5.7, the turret armour is mediocre for a heavy tank at 6.0 and the hull armour is average at best.
My advice for people? Don’t purchase the Black Prince, go for something like the British M10 which is on-sale for a decent price and is lowkey overpowered at 3.3.
Honestly, if there EVER was a Argument for a Fake tank to be added to the game, its the Upgraded Black Prince with the Meteor engine.
At least with that 600hp engine it would be capable of around 21mph.
And its not like its entirely fake, the Process to upgrade it was already started on I believe Black Prince #3, and the plans exist for the Upgrade. So its not like its something that was just a crackpot idea.
APDS 17 pounder warrants the 1.3 BR increase.
Identical armor, different weapons: M4 Sherman vs Sherman Vc.
And the Black Prince is more mobile than the Churchill VII at that.
The Black Prince remains one of the best 6.0s in the game.
Having turret armor usually only see on 6.3 and 6.7 heavy.
The APDS doesn’t work properly, And the armor is actually WORSE than the Mk7s.
The turret has worse Armor modifiers, making it far weaker. The mantlet has a Effective thickness, with the screwed up modifiers, of like 140mm. Meaning 76mm Shermans and PZIVs can pen it up close. (hell ive been penned and killed by a 76 Sherman at nearly a km so)
And saying that the BLACK PRINCE is more mobile than a tank 10 tons lighter, with the same engine… HA!
@Heavytanker1945
And the Leopard 2A5 uses the same exact gun as on 8.3s.
Your point?
Black Princes reverse speed actually exists, but you wouldn’t know this unless you played it or did research prior to posting.
@TPS_Hydra post ragebaiting me with false accusations.
If the Black Prince was anywhere close to bad it wouldn’t be my average KMR and KDR among heavy tanks.
Good armor, great APDS round, meta reload, best mobility of the Churchill platforms due to having an actual reverse gear.
I gotta defend Black Prince from blatant misinformation.
If the Black Prince was anywhere close to bad it wouldn’t be my average KMR and KDR among heavy tanks
KDR isn’t a good statistic for evaluating vehicles performances, I have a KDR of like 4 with it and I still can tell its mainly skill carrying my performance and rather the vehicle itself, people at this BR are near talentless.
If we measured vehicles via KDR then this game would be incredibly insufferable lol, stop ragebaiting.
@TPS_Hydra
Your KDR would be higher in all other heavy tanks if it was bad.
In a cross analysis of all 6.0 heavy tanks, Black Prince is good in that regard as well.
Everyone? Unless you equate to multiple people which wouldn’t be exactly healthy the only person arguing against my point would be you - gaslight final boss. I don’t play heavy tanks below 7.7 much myself so a comparison wouldn’t exactly work.
Like I said prior anyways, KDR is a very bad method to measure the performance of vehicles.
@TPS_Hydra
Everyone that wrote statistics and cross-analysis course material and textbooks.
Everyone that acknowledges cross-analysis is the standard for comparing vehicles.
Everyone that acknowledges KDR is a loose indicator of if something is OP.
I am not all of those individuals, I can’t as the time required for an entire planet would be impossible.
Tiger 1E has significantly worse armor, a worse gun, a worse reload, and has a mobility buff.
All your posts do is falsely accuse people of things as a way to intentionally upset them, AKA baiting.
Zero of my posts have false accusations against you, because I have zero interest in you being upset.
Armor of a 4.7 (Arguably worse due to broken armor effectiveness)
Gun of a 2.7
Engine from a 4.7, yet its 10 tons heavier, and a 1mph faster reverse gear is not that good.
Even recently it got nerfed when they made its suspension alot more bouncy, meaning its alot harder to fire on the move, which was one of its best attributes.
And yeah, I have a high KD in mine, but anyone who is a oldschool veteran like me does, because these days the game is full of people who have no idea what the hell they are doing, top to bottom. So its easy to get kills if you know what you are doing. That is why balancing off KD ratio’s is not a good thing.
