You are pretty much correct. The Tas had a 100 mm thick mantlet which covered the entire turret front, as well as the 100 mm thick actual frontal turret armour, so I think it had 200 mm of effective frontal turret armour.
Yeah thought so.
I think the 120 mm plate is correct as they would want to improve its armour as they find out about the improving enemy tanks and change their standards.
Yeah that’s gonna be a very strong turret rear! I agree, the frontal corners are probably 75 mm thick as so is the upper plate that they join to. It would make no sense if they decide to make the front very well armoured and then just decide they can’t be bothered and make the frontal upper corners just far weaker than the rest of the front.
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This never existed. Only as a mockup. No
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Learn to read before you comment.
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A prototype has been produced! the hull and tower were separate, awaiting assembly. When the bomb attacked, the engine mounted in the tank ignited and the hull burned.
The attack took place days before the final assembly.
The other one that was built, made of mild steel, is not a model, but a prototype, so that they can have one for further development for internal tests. A total of 2 units were built.
The target was 3 guns. 43m 75cm gun, prototype, 29m 80cm gun early version and draft lincenc purchase for 88mm kwk 43 gun or 75mm kwk 42 gun.
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That’s interesting. Do we have a source to prove that?
Similarly, Panthers had armor behind the front mantlet too, but only on the two sides around the cannon breech, not the whole part, just enough so that the mantlet could be mounted on it.
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Blatantly false. Open your eyes and read the post and history before spreading misinformation.
Sure, I found it on this site: https://hungarianweaponryww2.wixsite.com/hungarianmilitaryww2/single-post/2018/03/27/the-44m-tas-prototype-heavy-tank
I think I also remember reading it somewhere else, but I don’t remember where that was now. We can see that the gun mantlet basically covered the entire turret front from any image of it.
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Thanks! That seems neat. Then the turret front must have had elevation holes for the main gun, machine gun, and optics, and the gun mantlet on top covering all of these parts.
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If the upper front plate is 75mm sloped at 60 degrees from vertical, then the effective thickness is 150mm.
That’s on par with the Panther, and if the hull sides are thick enough to allow for angling tactics, then it’ll be even stronger.
That coupled with the god-like reverse speed and respectable HP to ton ratio, this thing is gonna be a dream to play.
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Yeah, the upper front plate should be practically impenetrable. The lower plate will be similarly strong due to its thickness and angle, but the mid plate will likely be the weakpoint - if it is only 100 mm thick then it can be penetrated reliably. If it is 120 mm thick then it will be better but still probably the weakest front plate. I don’t know the thickness of the angled corners that join the upper plate to the sides, I’ve heard estimates of 50 mm or 75 mm, I believe it is the latter. These will still be weakpoints at certain angles.
As for the side of the hull, it is 50 mm thick both above the tracks where it is a bit angled and behind the tracks where it is flat. Compared to the Panther, this is objectively better as the Panther has a similarly looking side, only it is 40 mm thick instead. The small side skirts of the Panther are 5 mm thick, but this still means the 44M Tas has better side armour than the Panther. However, it still won’t allow you to angle like a Tiger I with its 60-80 mm thick sides.
Overall, I think the Tas will be like a more armoured Panther, but not exactly on Tiger I level.
The mobility of this heavy will definitely make it stand out though.
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It will just be better mobility. Forward 5 gears reverse 5 gears gearbox.
Panther only has 1 back.
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+1 from me, love my minor nations.
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I have to say tho, since the optic for the TAS was found and its for the 80mm gun,+ we have the blueprint for the 80mm APHE, we should get the 80mm gunned serial production version too.
The moderator’s argument does not stand on solid ground in the view of latest findings.
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how do you know? tas was not tested on on polygon, besides, it was made of mild steel.
and there are no real photographs of him btw.
Because the documentation states 5 gears forward, 5 backward. Panther has 6 forwards and 1 gear backward.
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2 prototypes were built. One is mild steel and the other is regular metal.
Here is the document.
https://img-forum-wt-com.cdn.gaijin.net/original/3X/1/c/1cca6152f62d15417bcd7d867d61d84a7ae68546.jpeg
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44MTas vs 41M Turán II
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- From the documents seen above
- We have the blueprints of the transmission
- Considering it used the same engines as the Turan, it would make sense that it uses the same transmission (which had 5 gears forwards and 5 in reverse).
2 prototypes were made, 1 of mild steel and 1 that was actually properly armoured.
The photos of the prototype seem to have all been lost in the bombing that destroyed the vehicle and most of the info on it. But the metal scale mockup photos are still real.
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