The Ariete, the new premium and the awful armour

I just can’t get why Gaijin dislikes Italy so much.

Ariete (Ground)
Italy Coastal which is nothing better than the Germans

CL-13 Mk.4 which is basically F-86A-5 but on a higher BR
Worst F-104G

No AIM-120 on F-16A ADF

AMX A-1A
F-104S TAF (discontinued)
While the US gets second rank 8 jet prem. XD

I am not Italy main so just wondering,
What was the best thing which Gaijin provided to Italy
(Which is obviously better than counterparts?)

AV-8B+ which came out a year earlier than USMC(AIM-120 excluded)?

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lol
Google translated it to “bullets” for some reason, changed “proiettili” to “projectiles”.

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Damn they accepted the bug report a year ago and we still ain’t seeing any sign of progress even with a premium ariete.
At this point is really just a joke: why the hell do they not fix the ariete armour? It’s clear that doing it would make the new premium sell more so they have a pretty strong incentive (insert picture of mr krab saying “I like money”)

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They could’ve made it the first Squadron vehicle, since we already have a 11.7 pack vehicle, but no. Italy must suffer.

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Italian coastal sucks badly, especially some recent additions such us RN Ghibli, this thing is sitting at 4.0 while having everything worse than even 3.3 vessels and you can’t persuade Gaijin to move it lower, because they don’t have their own statistics as Ghibli is played (or tryed to be played) by a very few amount of people.
This is comparison with new 3.7 Grecale for example:

And Grecale is not even something special at 3.7, Ghibli is worse than reserve destroyers, worse than frigates of other nations from lower brs.
Freccia was a lot of fun, even a bit annoying for enemy destroyers, then they nerfed HE belts and bumped it to fight light cruisers lol

Add to that 0 squadron vehicles, while USSR is getting its 6th already…
Honestly I thought at least with the introduction of subtree, Italy will get way more options in terms of premiums/squadron, but actually not much has been changed.

There were some nice moments, for example Ariete used to have the best shell in the game compared to what other nations had, making it a cool railgun/glass cannon; R3 was marathon grinder for completing capture points, it made Italy the most popular nation during marathons in the past 😆
I would say Italy is still worth to play and have a ton of cool stuff, there are powerful GRB lineups with good CAS options, though some very old issues like massacred Ariete armor disencourage people to play it.

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Oh, I heard about this before!
I saw some humor about that Italy’s main tactic on the ground RB when they didn’t get the Hungarian Leopard 2

  1. utilize Centauro
  2. farm a good amount of spawn points
  3. If you die, initiate revenge CAS planes and show hell to enemies

Anyway, thanks for a sincere answer to my question. I hope you guys get proper care from Gaijin someday, too.

I really thought it was annoying when Japan got an F-16A OCU with AIM-120 while Italy still failed to get an AIM-120 on their F-16A ADF.

The moment that “F-16C has 120CM, while F-16A ADF has 60cm with worse engine, nobody’s gonna play it anyway” claim has gone invalid as long as 16A OCU has 45CM total. :|

For now, I am grinding Italy ‘slowly’ because there are Tornados left to spade
and your reply added some extra enthusiasm!

I think I might need to pay extra attention for grind when Gaijin finally decides to fix Ariete’s armor. XD

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Thank you for adding these sources.

In my experience the problem with reports is that mods want only one thing: numbers.
This obviously cannot work with modern equipment, which is often classified.

The cool thing is that, with this report, they have numbers to work on. Therefore there is no more reason for them to wait, this is as good as it gets.

Yeah, this is especially annoying since when they modelled these tanks they didn’t have numbers as well and used pure assumptions and it was even before Ariete weights were corrected (like it weighed 53 t without add-on kits and 54 t with WAR).

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Tried a long time ago to have it fixed and just got stuck at Gaijin’s unwillingness to acknowledge their own mistakes.

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I remember you made something about wrong textures as well.

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It wasn’t me I only pointed out that the current textures are only correct for the preserie

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From the old forum

Yes, this is exactly what I was saying: they only want the numbers.
But for something that is classified, it is impossible to have primary sources.

The accepted report does provide estimates, so it’s only up to them now.

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Merkava: first time?

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Italian tree just get the block 10 they had as spare parts as the premium. The whole tree is running on vibes and positive wishes of 20 Italian mains and 50 enjoyers

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What?

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Italy bought 4 Block 10s alongsidr ADF F-16s to use as spare parts. They can have the Block 10 as a premium just like the Netz

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I thought you meant it’s on the dev-server.

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The issue with the Ariete’s armor is still there but apparently Gaijin can’t be bothered to make some new estimations, players must do their work.
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Here @Roshindow was proposing to try and calculate the weight of the armor if made with steel and compare it with the weight in brochures.

The grim reality of things is that Italy just doesn’t sell enough, the community isn’t as big and loud as some others and the SubTTs weren’t interesting enough to make it more relevant(who would’ve though that a copy paste fiesta would do so uh?)

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Haha, not really. I have been making reports on Magachs, Merkavas and the two Namers. The situation there is as bad if not worse. The devs approach to modern MBTs needs some rework, in my opinion.

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