I hope it won’t stay at 4.0, but nobody will probably play it, giving Gaijin no data, making it stay way over its correct Br for longer.
Even if they they’ll ever make a coastal mode only you’ll have to face monsters like the USS Coolbaugh ( a mini fletcher with way more AA then you), the HMS Leopard (with those fantastic 4.5inc cannons), the Koln and the always overpowered SKR twins.
Don’t know what this thing can do to them as they out-dpm you, out-gun you, have better AA and better suvivability.
The only advantage the Ghibli has, for now, is a boat spawn. If they take that away too this poor little fella will be unplayable.
You’re correct in all statements & ecen if someone plays it, they might instead increase it due to the players having to play well just to break even (as like with other bluewater ships of the coastal TT).
Honestly compared to other 4.0’s this thing might just be better than the sad excuse of an Sentry Ship like the Project 50 or the lower BR Project 2 (fun note it was also a TB) but against the 4.3 ones its a burning hulk, Even a Type 12 will probably beat it but the Type 41 you mentioned would obliterate it in the first or second salvo & the Buckley class heh it might even just melt it with the ten 40 mm/60 autocannons let alone the two 5"/38 Mk.12 ntm the immediately post war destroyer escorts & destroyer armed with 3"/50 Mk. 22 cannons will cut it to pieces.
This vessel cannot remain 4.0 under any circumstances, yet I cannot see this thing staying a boat spawn as per history with the JDS Chikugo DE-215 was similar but was to good for the spawn & instantly switched out so it’ll likely get a destroyer spawn an stay the same BR.
If it had the third cannon sure it could be a 4.0 or more preferably 3.7, yet it doesn’t & we’ll have to wait & see.
probably gonna convert this back to the navy subsection of the Machinery of War section before the update goes live.
Also in Italian Naval Camouflage book Ghibli is featured with 3rd gun. There is unfortunately no camo. Maristat camo schemes plates were not found yet and there is no evidence she had a camouflege.
3rd gun is an initial completion stage same for units like Impavido for example. They had it for a short period of time so imo it would be great if you could have an option to have it especially if they chose this ship.
Well that’s interesting to hear that it did have it originally as wefrom you.
It would be nice if they could add in the ability to switch out armament via a mod similar to several tanks that can switch out armament & armour packages.
Hell we even see it even game for the Freccia class Motoconvertibili Freccia P-493 & the USS Flagstaff PGH-1 were the former switches out the centre 40 mm/70 for torpedoes & the latter can change from a M551 turret to a 40 mm/60 mount.
But to see the Ghibli is still a 4.0 is truly nuts for something that’ll definitely be shit for 4.0, I’m currently researching it now as the first thing I’ll unlock this update (sidenote don’t make jokes about its BR placement or you may receive a ban, RIP chatting for a year bahahahahahahaha)…
It has a bloody destroyer spawn ohh ffs, the test sail is a ruse of war.
First match, got molested by three Mustuki class destroyer & nuked by a Gearing class, second spawn made some impact & won a match with five kills, the 20 mm’s get the kills with the 100 mm’s are for moral support.
I want to get the chat ban I received prior to starting researching this to be removed (it was a jokingly jab at the devs for it still being 4.0), just so I can comment how much I hate the fact this thing is a 4.0 destroyer spawning vessels with two weak cannons & a high repair cost then receive the ban again but for the rant being full of swearing about the grind & the fact it has a destroyer spawn.
So it desperately needs a lower BR or a lower BR with the third cannon over what it currently has.
You sure it only has DD spawn?
If yes then that’s total madness as the Syonan from the japanese TT is better and its placed at 3.3.
Also, why the double standard for the italian ships? They said with the Regolo that they’ll follow the country’s classification for each ship, that’s why the Regolo is a light cruiser and not a Destroyer leader.
The italian classified the Ciclone Class, like the Spica, Orsa and Ariete, as “Torpediniere” translated as “Torpedo boats” o “Destroyer escorts” in a broader term after they planned the construction of proper DDs like the Soldati Class.
Why in game is placed as a frigate with a destroyer spawn while something like the M-17, M-802 and other Pr. ships with rapid fire 57 and 75mm guns are only classified as “Large boats”?
Just hope they’ll fix it or just play the poor thing themselves to understand how to properly balance ships.
all Torpedo boats have Ship spawns - eg the German Jaguar, T22 and T31 are Torpedo Boats - pretty much the only other nation to retain the designation by the time of WW2 I think - everyone else called them Destroyers.
Because they are not Torpedo Boats.
The high BR Pr boats and similar from other navies are not used very often already - give them ship spawns and they’ll never be used at all!
Italy constantly gets unfair BR’s due to the fact that Italy, as a niche nation, is often played by the chads with a lot of experience and discernment.
TL;DR Germany, Russia, USA, played plebian idiots. Italy, France played by Sigma Chads. Gaijin does not account for skill when making BRs. Only pure stats.
Also this ship is pointless unless it gets 3.0 zero reason to ever use it otherwise.
Finally researched this thing and it’s just sad, how could anyone give it 4.0?
This boat should be 3.0 at max:
destroyers spawn;
slower compared to destroyers;
weak torpedoes;
‐ poor primary armament (only two 100 mm cannons with slow RoF);
no secondaries, only 20 mm AA;
distance is updated rather slowly compared to more modern vessels.
And no it doesn’t have any better survivability, it’s basically a 3.3 destroyer downgraded in every single way.
I agree on all points & I’ve recently elited through pain & suffering (slightly lessened by a talisman as I knew this shit was gonna be bad).
• I’m not sure it always had it but basically after the frist week I started suffering magazine detonation, I swear it had lower magazines but now 70% of founderings are due to the exposed magazines.
• Your shells berely travel through water when you hit just short of a target, I think the CC Bombe18 was talking about Italian 100 mm water shell penetration recently being terrible.
• Crew losses are quick from any shells even just 4" let along german 12.8 cm base fuse HE & US 5"/38 SAP shells, now with the increased AI’s half the time their melt you & the other half they nick your bloody kills.
Like always with anything not labelled a destroyer, the late war destroyers are the worst thing you can go up against as their AI controlled LAA will rake your decks & kill every exposed crewmen (I just wish AI AA went by tonnage not bloody class types).
It baffles me how the Impetuoso class destroyer is also 4.0 when it’s more closer to some 5.0 vessels & even the worst Soldati class destroyer beats this Ciclone class torpedo boat & it’s basically a upsized Dardo/ Turbine class destroyers.
Stats of my time, note that twenty of the matches were 4.7/5.0 (might as well be a historical reenactment of Italians during the second world war fighting in their doomed battles against british ships), five were 3.0 even then this thing still got shagged & eight were at 4.0 & 4.0 ships just more power than ya.
Excluding respawns from backups, it’s basically one death per match be if from being aggressive or defensive or a poxy AShM (curse you Ki-48 as I hadn’t researched HE-DF shells yet but good shot).
Even if it had a third 100 mm it would still be terrible at 4.0 but yeah this thing should be 3.0 in all accounts as it just sucks.
Heh while there’s that, I compared the Light Destroyer/ Destroyer Escort/ Kaibōkan Matsu to Ghibli in my head when I first heard it would be 3.7 bluewater when it has more in common with coastal ships looks are style of armament placement to the Shōnan. (iirc it was built on a bridge between the Ōtori class Torpedo Boat to some heavier Destroyer types).
I know some stats.
• 3× 1×1/1.2 127 mm cannons
• 1×4 610 mm torpedoes centreline
• 13×1 Type 96, tbh in game a better LAA, three extra barrels
• 2kts faster
• 2900RP
• 3.7
It’s a bloody joke is what it’s, a ship that blurs lines & yet ends up in bluewater while Ghibli suffers the bullshit of being a 4.0 coastal when it could’ve been a 3.3 bluewater itself and there’s no ohh go suggest a BR on the next BR change post as some people might Ohh but you won’t believe what happened next…
I’d not be surprised if the weaker post war JDS Wakaba Ex Nashi while be 3.3 BR 200k rp coastal if it ever comes.
Pah I should’ve waited until time update to ask what the devs were smoking for their decisions on WHAT BR’s they chose… (1Y chat ban for staff abuse but these decisions are down right player abuse)…
@YaSen, Ahh like the ones my squadron member SpanishAvenger started doing with the two machines & Green / Red text that most hated but started a trend that never died out.
Finally got around to making a post discussing the Ghibli, Matsu & Grecale, hopefully it drums up some discussion outside of this sad quarter of the forums.
Unfortunately like last time it’ll probably end up here in this section & left to be forgotten.
Ohh an also tag @Taffu92 here as well for them to further chat on it.
