How are you gonna say this after ignoring the warhead restrictions? Also, those are not LAU-7 as stated… not sure how this proves anything about missile being less reliable or more so when launched above / below mach.
So how do you explain the F-4 manual which explicitly states there are no launch g limitations placed on launching the missile?
Notice how that is talking about the USAF Aero-3 launcher, which is completely different to the USN LAU-7 launcher we have been discussing.
Also the same missile can be cleared to different levels on different aircraft, depending on the exact trials that were carried out for that aircraft. You therefore have to take the highest known level as being the limit of the missile and all lower levels as being aircraft restrictions.
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The image is from the f-4e manual. So it’s contradicting itself? It gives a max authorized speed for AIM-9 of 750 knots employment, and it does suggest that there are actually g limits but they are again in the classified supplement.
Just WOW.
Because warhead is not all about in missile ??
LAU-7A have the same restrictions in OP3353. Im assume its just Missile or rail limited? Or why some one need to design better rail if not need it?
And you have graph where you have 1.1 Mach as AVOID launch conditions.
What you two mean about not “restricted” condition?? You know that real planes dont do 14g like in WT??
You have table in another my post with g limit.
750 Knots at sea level is little or 1 mach depends from air temp.
The one I posted was from the F-4J manual, not the F-4E manual. They are discussing completely different missiles (there is no commonality between USN and USAF Sidewinders) and completely different launch rails (LAU-7 vs AERO-3).
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It clearly states launch restrictions solely for those with earlier warhead and then simply “unrestricted” for mod 3. If they are able to have “unrestricted” for an AIM-9B I’m sure the flight envelope posed no significant risks to the missile thereafter.
You have even AIM-9B with mod 3!?
Prove it
That’s cairrage for the warhead. The table row posted is from the stores limitation and shows the limit is 6.5/3.0 for cairrage(that is you can never exceed this with the missiles on the pylon or risk damage to the missile).
Seems some have just ignored Moderator Warnings…
And so a few now have time away for their trouble…
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Ok let’s knock both these claims on the head for good. Here is the AIM-9L launch requirements from the Tornado GR.1 Tactics manual:
You can see that the maximum g you can fire the AIM-9L at is the limit of the aircraft. And the maximum speed you can fire the AIM-9L at is the limit of the aircraft.
So what are the aircraft limits for the Tornado GR.1? According to the release to service the top speed is 800 kts (that’s over Mach 1.2) at sea level / Mach 1.6 at altitude. And the maximum allowable g is 7.8.
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So there you have it the AIM-9 can be fired at over Mach 1.2 at sea level, and at at least 7.8 g. Though both of those things have been demonstrated already.
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So we agreed that are restrictions.
This 7.8g are subsonic. I’m pretty sure Tornado is not able do 7.8g at supersonic.
The restrictions are on the Tornado airframe, not the missile. It has already been shown from the F-4J manual that the missile itself has no restrictions and any restrictions in manuals are airframe specific ones.
Graph is up to 1 Mach…
oh this is hurtful ,
sir , if there is a problem there are boundaries ,one after each other , if a missile has unrestricted launch G limit and speed , the boundary which stops it from being launched from higher speeds is the fact that aircraft don’t go faster or pull more Gs .
I don’t get WHY ARE YOU ARGUING ABOUT THIS .
the earth is round , the sky is blue and aircraft don’t exceed beyond their limit
If you don’t understand what is the point capitan obvious better for you to not comment.
would you like a Persian Poem ?
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Why dont we have AMRAAM launch Diagrams?