The 1980’s is not relevant whatsoever. The Magic II is not relevant either.
Because missiles come in all shapes & sizes. Different weights and centers of gravity. Differing motors, aerodynamics and launch platforms.
Just because one missile can do X does not mean every missile ever developed since has the same capability. Do you really need a source?
Can someone give this man a source that says, “missiles be different.”
The magic 2 is very relevant, it shares a similar aerodynamic design to the AIM-9 while also having more advanced guidance and design that has cause for more issues when launching from rail. In particular, the tail section can spin freely around the body of the missile to avoid roll interference. This would pose a significant issue when launching from rail as the tail section could collide with the aircraft or rail itself during adverse aerodynamic conditions but this was not a problem apparently as it’s stated to be free of launch limitations within the entire flight envelope and overloads of the Mirage 2000.
Also, the 1980’s is THE MOST relevant to this thread as the AIM-120 design primarily took place in the early 80s.
Yes, and as stated the magic 2 with it’s own particular concerns is a very relevant missile to show had no launch limitations. More advanced missiles such as the AMRAAM which surely have shaped trajectory methods and whatnot to avoid issues during adverse launch conditions would have even less of an issue with separation.
To my knowledge the AMRAAM separation testing took place specifically to certify it throughout the entire flight envelope and overloads it would experience during launch of the various aircraft it is fired from. It was designed (like the Magic 2) to be launched from a very wide variety of aircraft and as such is capable of extreme conditions depending on why / when it is being launched. “Advanced Medium Range Air to Air Missile”…
Quite literally waiting for at least half a dozen solid sources for your wild opinions and accusations extending up to or greater than a week ago at this point and you can add this baseless and unfounded opinion on top of those as well. As I said, this behavior is beneath you.
Aim-9 is AMRAAM? Since when?
Hey chief, has anyone told you today that you’re doing a great job?
You are doing a great job. Keep up the good work. Let us know on how little missile test are going. Keep us posted! We need that data!
AMRAAM and AIM-9 share a launch rail on stuff such as F-16… and we know the launch limitations of the AIM-9 unlike the AMRAAM so it is something we can tangibly compare.
Is
the
AMRAAM
The same size, weight, shape, configuration or capability of the Aim9 sidewinder?
Yes or No.
Magic 2 is similar size, weight, shape, configuration and has greater capability than the AIM-9L but unlike the Sidewinder has no launch restrictions so I don’t see how that’s relevant to your lack thereof a point.
Please, stop the pointless trolling. As you said…
First of all, you have no idea launch restrictions existed yesterday. Don’t worry you’ll get there and learning.
Secondly, you pointing out the Magic II had nothing to do with the Aim9L, but it was your hilarious example on why the AMRAAM should not have any launch conditions when the Magic II doesn’t. Even though they are completely different missiles.
You even went further to mention that the missile is from the 1980s as if that is relevant.
You sense it as trolling, because all you really desire is people to just agree with your conclusions. The issue with that is you are usually just wrong, like 95% of the time and steering the game in a wrong direction. That is why GJ continues to implement many things you are against.
You desire an echo chamber. Thats not what the forum is for.
I appreciate you lurking through all the comments I ever made.
Saying “X doesn’t have any launch restrictions” is kind of deceptive. X might not have launch restrictions in and of itself, but it very well can have launch restrictions from a particular pylon at certain speed ranges. That’s not a function of the weapon not being capable of release in that condition, but of aerodynamics rendering it unsafe for release. That’s why AIM-7E can’t be used from one of the F-14’s body ejectors, for instance.
Magic 2 is stated to be usable in any dogfight conditions, it is quite clear it means there are no launching limitations on the aircraft, missile is safe to fire under any conditions. The pilot need not be concerned of speed, attitude, etc. If lock is achieved, he can launch and hit the target provided the missile has time to arm the proximity fuse at a safe distance from the aircraft (300m).
Source? The weapon itself is not a source for this, it would be in the weapon manual for the aircraft.
Your go-to troll statement anytime you don’t understand something ever since you were educated by MaMoran and others on HPRF.
You either take what I say at face value or misquote what I said in an attempt to make it seem like I said something else. As an example, I stated the HPRF modes in war thunder are “Head-on” in-game. You ran with that claiming I thought HPRF was only able to lock aircraft in head-ons. This was dishonest discussion from you, and you continue to be dishonest and are outright trolling for some time now. You’ve been warned.
Almost every ridiculous assertion you’ve made here is wrong and you’re trolling / spreading misinformation on the thread.
I was going back to the start of the thread from your replies in the profile section so I could count how many ridiculous assertions you’ve made with no basis or backing and… I gave up counting.
This is quite a projection, in fact fits exactly what you’ve been doing this entire time since you’ve joined the thread;
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Directly from Matra when interviewed by many magazines and places over the years.
That’s not evidence though? What it says is that Magic and it’s associated pylon does not have separation limits. Not that every aircraft using Magic lacks such limitations. Safe stores separation is not just a function of the missile, but the entire flow field around the aircraft and how it interacts with launches from every pylon.
I don’t have every source compiled, but the general consensus was that it doesn’t have overload restrictions. Perhaps one of the French bug reporters has more information for you.
Do not blame the game now. That was your general assumption that HPRF is reserved for head on. Completely oblivious to the fact that almost all active radar homing missiles use High PRF. SAMs as well.
That literally every fighter uses High PRF predominately and is technically a “high PRF fighter.” Such a ridiculous idea. Yes, High PRFs greatest strength lies in close in performance. But the idea that HPRF is limited to head on is quite laughable.
Which is exactly what you just said above.
The F-16 didn’t, and almost every fighter with a pulse Doppler fire control radar to ever exist uses a wide variety of PRF ranging from low to high.
You know I was referring to the radar mode in the game and you insist on pointing to my comment as erroneous… when almost everything you said clearly demonstrates you had no idea what you were saying until educated otherwise further in the discussion.
Anyone is free to go back and read the discussion now and see that, but you’ve doubled down every time. Poker face doesn’t work when everyone can see your cards.
I’ve been wrong many times in the past, I admitted as much and read further into the subject to actually try and understand it. Generally the entire purpose of the discussion is to do so. It helps to bug report when you understand what it is you’re reporting. You don’t do any reporting, all you do is sit in here and troll / spread misinformation.
Most things I’ve ever stated at least have a source. You’ve failed to provide one for some time now, and the last several weeks and hundred+ comments are you doing exactly what you are describing.
If you’d provide a solid base for your argument perhaps it would be easier to assert it or show someone else they’re wrong.
What are you talking about I used your own radar book which you did not address a single thing but instead begged your friends to flag it and suppress it even after I cleaned it of any perceived offenses. Immediately suppressed it the second I cleaned it.
I am good though. I am going to go play the game. Peace.
Sure, the missile might not. That’s not the point. The point is that there are likely aircraft-specific release restrictions on the weapon. Like take a look at the F-4’s flight manual, Figure 5-11. It contains all the many, many restrictions on at what speeds/overloads certain weapons can be carried or released. Well except for the air-to-air armaments, some of those are stuffed in the secret supplement weapons delivery manual. Notably, neg-g release is totally forbidden, and AIM-7 release is actually quite tightly restricted in the manual version I read, only Mach 0.7 to 650 knots below 30k feet.
AIM-9 and AIM-4 also have restrictions on minimum speed, neither can be launched below 175 knots. So pretty much there’s a bunch of arbitrary aircraft-specific rules for weapons.
His initial point was that he thinks supersonic launches severely harm reliability of the missile.
He failed to provide any such evidence that it’s the norm for fighter aircraft and especially not in relation to the AMRAAM.
