Not true, Namer 30 and HSTV-L (probably among others I’m forgetting) don’t have to either.
2S38 is pure russian bias.
-It must be at least at Br11.7 like the RDF/LT, the 2S38 is even better.
-Gets a double-belt mechanic altough there are 3-pre-loaded shells in the autoloader.
-Premium SPAAG (Exception for Russia)
-Gets an overheating indicator, but it`s bugged on purpose.
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You are either insane or have big skill issue
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To be honest,when I play the Merkava 4M,I often get destroyed in one shot by the 2S38.Its upper limit is just too high.In the game,aside from Soviet tanks like the T-90M and T-80BVM,almost any other tank will be destroyed in one shot if its side is exposed.If you have bad luck,you will definitely be destroyed within three shots.What’s more,some tanks can even be destroyed in one shot to the front lower glacis.This actually deviates from its real-life role.In reality,it is supposed to be an anti-aircraft gun.The number of its armor-piercing rounds should be limited to turn it into a self-propelled anti-aircraft gun(SPAA)!
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the 2s38 is NOT better than the rdf/lt after these buffs.
No.
@halkad1
2S38 is inferior to HSTVL in every way yet you come here with outright misinformation that it’s on-par? WOW… Just… wow.
It lacks the speed, gun, general mobility, ammo, etc because 2S38 is meant to get sales.
2S38 is not a SPAAG.
2S38 doesn’t have overheating, nor does HSTVL.
Saying it’s better in game, doesn’t mean it’s better IRL.
I’m 99% sure it’s classified as one IRL, and it can act as one in WT. However, it’s more balanced to have it as a light tank, due to the increased SP costs.
I can’t speak for the HSTV-L, but the RDF/LT doesn’t overheat. However, it makes no sense that a tank can fire 148 consecutive 57mm shells without overheating at all.
The 2S38 should be higher, just due to it having excellent firepower due to a fast reload and APFSDS, but it’s not an 11.3+ tank.
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casual totalitarian propaganda in the chat
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And because of it’s high ammo count, fast reload, and decent APFSDS, it should be 10.7 or 11.0, especially when combined with it’s capability as an SPAA if it ever needs to. Do not deny that advantage, because even 9.3 SPAA capability is an advantage over something with none.
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High ammo count only means something against aircraft.
I’ve still used less than 13 rounds of HSTVL ammo in every single match I’ve played it in.
I’ve still never even used over 20 rounds of 2S38 ammo in a single match, and the one time I did use 20 rounds was when it was 9.7.
Please think critically for a moment.
The validity of a claim is not determined by the amount of people that believe it. You wouldn’t believe the things people have gotten away with in history because the majority of the population agreed.
Like with the rhetorical question I asked, about chocolate milk and brown cows. 7% of Americans believe chocolate milk comes from brown cows. Does that mean it’s 7% true? Or that 7% of chocolate milk comes from brown cows? Or are 7% of Americans wrong?
With respect to the topic at hand, just because the majority of players think the 2S38 is undertiered (evidence, though unproven, I’d generally agree is factual) doesn’t make it undertiered.
Ad populum, when used as evidence in and of itself, is in fact a form of the circular logic fallacy. In essence, people who use ad populum as an argument with respect to the 2S38 are saying “the 2S38 is undertiered because the majority of people believe it to be so, and the majority of people believe it to be undertiered because it is”
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I was making a joke.
the key word there was “Americans” for how such an absurd thing can occur
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It still expands on my prior argument other than just pointing out a logical fallacy and not proving why it’s a fallacy (which in and of itself is faulty logic)
Where did i compared the 2S38 to the HSTVL? WOW… Just… wow, you aren´t able to read.
Gajin says otherwise: 2S38 Devblog
The new Russian 2S38 SPAAG armed with an automatic 57mm cannon comes to War Thunder as a light tank capable of countering both aerial and ground targets.
Dude you should not answer arguments if you are not able to understand my posts.
If something is unclear to you, just ask and i will try to explain it in a different way.
And stop putting wrong words in my mouth, it`s getting really annoying.
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@halkad1
Your posts aren’t you, and no one put words in your posts either.
Your post claimed that 2S38 is identical to HSTVL right here:
Your post even claimed the 2S38 was faster, using a superior gun, smaller, etc to RDF/LT.
Despite the 2S38 and Begleit being slower than RDF/LT and HSTVL.
2S38 using a vastly inferior gun and ammo.
RDF/LT and HSTVL having superior general mobility.
If 2S38 was as-good as RDF/LT it would have no sales IRL due to the obscene cost it’d be.
100%*.
PVO means anti air defense.
the light tank class might be the most messed up one, there’s some vehicles that aren’t even light tanks but are classified as such.
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balance reason
its like gaijin refuse to give hstvl its accurate round(delta 3) which has like m774 level or they can just give it the delta 2 which is 334mm of rhae instead of 371mm rhae(m774e)
there are literal factual document from gov but they refuse it(spookston)
and the ammo capacity should get expand to 32(got this info from another thread)