The 2S38 should be moved up in BR to 11.0 or 11.3

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No, it shouldn’t be moved to 11.0 or 11.3 because it has very fragile modules, and disabling any of them would be very punishing on the battlefield.

First, it’s practically ineffective against armored vehicles frontally because by the time it manages to fire twice in a row to disable the target’s cannon, it would probably have already killed you with just one shot.
It still dies to a .50 caliber from the side after a short period of time shooting at the same spot.

If it didn’t have the modules, I would agree with you on the topic, but now that it has received them, it’s unfeasible to make it face armored vehicles that are even hard to damage from the side at medium and long distances, which is where you’d be using it.

For me, the people who ask for a BR increase for this vehicle are either deaf to the loud Russian engines or blind to the minimap.

It’s rare, but there are players who use their drones to spot enemies for the team, and if you refuse to be helped or pay more attention to the game, the problem isn’t the vehicle being where it is. It’s you not paying attention to the basics from 1.0 to 12.0.

There are vehicles that need much more attention and a BR change than the 2S38. We could mention the Saab J35XS in this regard. I don’t see why we should discuss the 2S38, considering the recent BR scaling issue with jets and the changes that came regarding the damage caused by rockets on bases and so on.

This is ‘MY’ opinion, and if anyone disagrees with it, that’s fine with me, but I won’t change what I think about each vehicle I own and see that it’s not of great importance to pay attention to this ‘problem’ that some players think it is.

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@An_Pigeon
SPAA capabilities:
Round size: OTOMATIC
Search radar: OTOMATIC
IR-Tracking: Tied.
Proximity size: OTOMATIC
Round filler: OTOMATIC

In no way is 2S38 superior to OTOMATIC for anti-air. Italians made a better SPAA before Russia. To claim 2S38 is better is pure Russian propaganda.

2S38 and OTOMATIC carry APFSDS that forces their BRs higher than their SPAA capabilities.
Though keep claiming the entire planet is propaganda, it’s obvious provocation to do so.

Its anti-tank capabilities are 10.3, and its SPAA capabilities are 9.7. 10.3 is higher than 9.7.
Wanting 2S38 balanced based on its SPAA is wanting it moved down.

Prove that people disagree with my desire to move 2S38 up.

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yet when i fired a round from my 9.0 chieftain mk10 clean through its electronics it kept on firing, the SPAA with the unmanned turret had its electronics disabled yet somehow kept firing ?

i know how to fight the vehicle and still one said engagement i refered to, however the fact is, the 2s38 is under BRd and the fact you still see them rolling around at 11.7 BR matches, absolutely demolishing the MBTs, and any helis that come within 3km of them is absurd for a 10.0 “light tank”

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i told you im no longer responding to you.

Your completely twisting what i have said. and always do with so many people. i mean you flat out denied the 2s38 was an SPAA and wasnt being deployed as well. so yeah.

goodbye alvis.

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You said you know that the turret is unmanned, and you know the only modules in the turret are the rotation and elevation of the vehicle’s cannon, and if you’re lucky, you might destroy the 2S38’s autoloader. So why shoot at the turret if it’s unmanned? You made a mistake, you admitted you were wrong, and now you want to blame the vehicle’s BR, and that’s not good.

We have several vehicles with unmanned turrets in the 10.0 to 11.0 BR range, and they aren’t mentioned by you, even though they have proximity ammunition to be used, whether it’s multipurpose HEAT rounds or 30mm proximity rounds like the PUMAS received. We have the Chinese WZ305, which has 57mm proximity ammunition and 151mm penetration rounds at 8.0 BR!!!

It doesn’t make sense to focus on a vehicle that has everything a tech tree vehicle has, does the same thing, has the same lock and rangefinder, just because you didn’t pay 10,000 GE for it.

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@An_Pigeon
No one twisted what you said.
Your posts are coming in claiming to disagree with someone that wants 2S38 moved up.
Your posts are saying the same things I’ve said: 2S38 is capable of anti-air.

Here’s a collection of quotes, thanks for conceding that your posts were wrong BTW.

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i shot through the turret as there was nowhere else to shoot, the system took out its electronics, yet it still kept firing which if its electonics are down, so should its firing system be down.

tell me, what is the penetration of the pumas APFSDS round?.
tell me what is the puma in real life designed to do?

the 2s38 in real life is designed to be an air defense weapon, as is its name translated.
so why on gods earth does it have an APFSDS round, and why isnt it limited same as say, a gepard or otomotic in how many it can carry.

my issue with it is is same with the BMP2M. they can frontally take on MBTs, and i dont mean just nato ones, i mean any mbt in game, and reliably in case of the 2s38 kill them in one shot.

we also have completely glossed over what i stated about not being able to find a source that was not a pure propaganda page saying it even carries said apfsds minution.

now the 8.0 wz305, is a one shot, has 151 pen not over 200 at 8.0 where it dies in one hit, or can be easily strafed with any for of air craft, has no lock system. no thermals, and a slower turret traverse/ gun elevation.

puma, is an IFV that when you hit its unmanned turret completely renders it useless, same as the stryker anti tank system. The puma fires a dart with around 121 penetration on flat angle thats 9mm less than the 2s38s round at a 60 degree angle.

the 2s38 is more mobile than the puma as well as this has far worse proximity munition compared to the 2s38.

youve taken one little piece of what i said , aka the unmanned turret and focused on that.

when as a whole the 2s38 is far better than vehicles of its BR, yet it stays the 10.0 area because gaijin balances on statistics. well when they feel like it or the mk24 spitfire would be 7.0.

the 2s38 should have a limit on how many APFSDS it can carry and that would resolve the issue. where as now even a semi competant player can access it (or the BMP2M) and take over entire lobbies incredibly easily.

if you cant see how the 2s38 is unbalanced at 10.0 then i dont know how to make you see.

I also believe the bmp3 for example is unbalanced at 9.3, leopard 2k is unbalanced at 9,7, tbh most auto cannon high pen vehicles now are far more suited and play better than tanks.
now to remedy that theres one solution move then to a BR where they cannot take over an entire lobby, or and what i would prefer, have an overhaul of the GRB system, its great for tigers, shermans, m103s etc etc, but modern equiptment does not function how it should.

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Why does everyone take the bait when Alvis posts? Hes just here to troll and poison the discussion. Ignore and move on.

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exactly why i havent responded to his last comment, or any others.

dudes literally just spouting total nonsense as if people cant read what ive said xD dude constantly does it on here im surprised he has time to even play the damn game.

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@soymilkman 's post claiming that moving 2S38 up is bait.

Sad seeing posts defending 2S38 this hard.

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and here he appears xDD dudes got literally hee haw better to do.

as if what we have said isnt plastered across the forum xd

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i hope youre having fun wisla :) must be nice being you, im so envious of how you interact with people <3

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Boy you are not sincere. And to be fair, thats an incorrect use of the word sincere…

Now enough, this isnt what the thread is about and i quite frankly have grown beyond wary of this childish nonsense, what ever you say man, sure you’re right and everyone who disagrees with you is wrong, or insencere or whatever else that comment is supposed to mean.

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I think more proper word would be “blunt” (Or “bluntness” in this case)

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Well yeah, blunt sincerity; and reckless word choice from poor typing behavior not being worked on until 2020.

I’m working on it, and improve daily. The hard part is catching the flaws before I hit post which leads to edits when I do spot them.

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off topic

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Direct id say.

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I would go for a 10.3-7, leaning towards 10.7. there is a line up there and this Monstrosity out performs any and all IFV which are at 10.0-7;
PUMA has armor, a non working AHEAD / ABM round, 121mm apfsds and vjtf gets 4 pathetic Spike LR2;
Vilkas, has the same weapons but on a more mobile, lightly armored chassis;
Same goes for the Namer, doesn’t even have ahead.
Bradley has les pen 101mm, and relies on ATGM’s against MBT’s
Desert warrior is comparable to the Bradly;
CTWV RCV is 9.7, only has an AC with 116mm, same goes for the FRA VBCI-2, mobile and squishy;
ITA has the most IFV’s around that BR:

  • Dardo with 92mm of pen, and relies on ATGM’s for MBT kills at range;
  • VCC 80/30, again 116mm AC , with ATGMS;
  • Freccia, back to 92mm and more spikes then other vehicles;
  • KF-41, less armor the PUMA with APS and Spikes;
    SWE Strf9040C has highest pen AC round behind 2S38, around that BR, but still lacks 55mm of flat pen. All other metrics except RoF and Reverse speed are worse on Strf.

Only both PUMA’s and KF-41 have higher Hp/t then 2S38.

The 2S38 can wreak havoc in the right hands, and i fear them more then any other LT with AC.

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Russians are upset that I want 2S38 moved up again I see.

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I think 11.0 is suitable for 2S38 especially its mobility is not good enough but its really powerful