@Alexanderussss
And now you’re claiming 2S38 getting nerfed is somehow a buff?
On top of claiming that WT’s critics are all paid actors…
Dude, stop with the opposite of reality posts.
Aircraft are not how tanks are balanced, thus counting them as frags is disingenuous, which is why I didn’t and will never count aircraft as frags for tanks in relation to them doing well.
Not sure why this is hard for you to understand.
“I have 11 air frags in Leopard 2K and Type 89, must be powerful based on that.” /s
Aircraft are counted towards the balancing, being killed by one does add to your total deaths, and killing one does count towards total kills. How else are AAs balanced? And I’m guessing Gaijin doesn’t look at deaths when balancing vehicles? Cause a tanks performance has nothing to do with game balancing. You crazy man, aint no way you believe this??
No reason to keep on going into posts on the forums just to lie and make up “facts” to hide the fact your math still aint mathing lmao. Tbf personally I believe counting tank frags are disingenuous since deaths have no correlation to game balancing apparently lmfao, so by looking at the stats the 2S38 is overpeforming hugely? Hard to wrap ur head around that ur THIS wrong? crazyyy
It just makes sense to count both ground and air targets, since both anti-tank and AA capabilities should be considered when balancing a vehicle. It is especially important to count both for SPAA, or for tanks with good AA capability, such as the 2S38.
What helicopters? Cause all the helicopters at and above 10.3 have ranges beyond the 5km range it has.
Z-9W is the only 10.0 it would see, and that’s just a flying TY-90 slinger.
And the ones below 10.0 shouldn’t be brought in the first place since that BR you see Rolands anyway, which is over 6km in range.
Dedicated SPAA in the bracket of 2S38 is superior to 2S38 by far.
uhmmm even in russian sources its called Derivation-Air Defense system, and the state tests finished in 2019/2020 apperently. so yeah it is classified in real life by the russian state military testing system as an air defense weapon…
the reason it wasnt adopted for ground attack as its just a modified bmp3 hull, which the bmp3 is more effective for cost than the 2s38 for ground operations… might be a bit off as i transalated from a few russian websites, but yeah its SPAA
heck, almost every military source that references it, calls it a highly mobile SPAA to replace the current close range SPAA, as pantsirs are too expensive apperently.
dude dont spread miss information at least if youre gonna state what the 2s38 is, state it correctly.
It overperforms in game for what its supposed to be.
JESUS even the warthunder wiki calls it an SPAA xD
@An_Pigeon
Me: “It’s multi-role, which includes SPAA duties.”
You: “Calling it SPAA is misinformation, it’s a SPAA.”
Also it doesn’t over-perform in-game currently [as much as I’d want it to so it could move up to 10.3 where it belongs], and it being considered a SPAA in-game would be a buff as it’d cost less spawn points.
you never said it was multi roll you said and i quote “no. Right now 2s38 is nothing but a light tank with an autocannon IRL cause it hasnt been adopted by any country for a purpose yet” that is stating its a light tank without a purpose. IT very clearly has a stated purpose which is to replace current SPAA systems used by the russian federation. which is misinforation and incorrectly stating something as a fact when it is infact untrue.
you did not state it was multi purpose at all. also reading what rounds it can fire as far as i can see it doesnt fire APFSDS rounds as its designed literally for taking out helicopters and low flying cas planes . E.G su25s, A10s, unmanned drones, ballistic missiles, guided munitions etc.
It however has not been designed to fire against armoured targets such as M1 abrams, leopard 2, Challanger 1, etc. Never mind when it one taps a damn challanger 2 or leopard 2a7HU…
The fact in game it does so with impunity shows how badly balanced this vehicle is.
Edit, not only is its purpose designated, its being deployed allegedly by the russian army to deal with the drones, ballistic missiles and precision guided munitions e.g guided bombs
It is apperently effective against lightly armoured vehicles, APCs and IFVs, even the russian army will not say it can be used effectively against any heavier armour.
And i cannot find a reliable source to say it even fires such a potent APFSDS round. It is designed to fire , airburst rounds for both air and ground attack, APHE rounds, HE rounds, and laser guided rounds apperently.
The only sources that state it can take on modern MBTs of any nation effectively are pure propaganda pages and cannot be used as reliable sources.
@An_Pigeon
It’s not in-use as infantry support or SPAA right now, but irrelevant of that it’s a light tank which is fact.
It is a tank that is light without actual purpose IRL, just advertised claims.
You can keep claiming that it being able to do SPAA duties is misinformation just cause I said that.
2S38 does not take on armored vehicles any better than Strf 9040C currently, as stats prove; despite my cross analysis saying that 2S38 should be 0.3 BR higher than Strf 9040C.
its being deployed you know where by the russian army as we speak theres god knows how many news outlets on armoured weaponry discussing that.
You arent even reading what ive said, you saying its a light tank without purpose is sheer denial of even what the manufacturors call the thing.
It is a Self propelled Anti aircraft platform (air defense weapon directly translated from russian) that the russian are deploying as such to take out thing such as drones, ballistic missiles and guided munitions + helicopters.
It is not designed at all to be taking on MBTs head on without an issue.
Im claiming, read this slowly, that the 2s38 air defense weapon, is purely designed to be a damn SPAA and only for such duties, it is not designed as a LRV, IFV, or APC it is literally designed for the purpose of shooting down aerial targets, and using air burst if needed to target infantry as a secondry back up purpose.
You are flat out denying that it is for Anti air and claiming its a multi purpose platform. It should realistically be a 10.7 or 11.0 SPAA such as the otomatic. The 2s38 in real life i cannot even find evidence to say it carries an armour piercing fin stabalised discarding sabot round. To give it one never mind carry 148 of the rounds.
I get that your posts want to reduce the BR of 2S38 to 9.7 based on its SPAA capbilities and want to buff it with the SPAA label, but that’s nonsense.
OTOMATIC’s SPAA capbilities are 10.3 cause it has a search radar and larger rounds, but it’s 11.3 due to its anti-tank capabilities.
It’s better to keep 2S38 “nerfed” as some people say, and balance it based on its superior anti-tank capabilities.
what youre doing here is trying to either completely ignore what ive said, or are just being a total troll.
Its SPAA capabilities are far supperior to the Otomotic due to the air burst round being far, far better. the fire rate, and the mobility.
and 2 youve completely ignored everything ive said about this thing being able to carry over 100 rounds of high penetration APFSDS which has no sources bar pure propaganda stating it can carry, without those roudns this is a 10.0 machine, with said rounds it is beyond over powered and can absolutely hammer even top tier MBTs.
it would not go down based on its SPAA capabilities.
You and I both know fine well that the only reason the 2s38 isnt sitting at 10.7 or higher is due to gaijin balancing on statistics.
Edit. also the 2s38 doesnt need a search radar when it can still lock onto air craft and has a giant green arrow pointing to where they are any ways, this combined with its thermals means its a fantastic SPAA.
now im done responding to you and im looking for a way to stop seeing your responses as its not worth my time to continue debating with you when you consistently try to gaslight everyone who even disagrees marginally with your sentiment.