Terminator should be at 11.7

Sure, the Namer is playable, but why should it be 11.3 when vehicles like the Freccia are 10.7?

Furthermore, why should the Terminator be 10.3 when the KF41 is 11.0?

191 deaths for 283 kills in my namer 30, which comes in between 1.4-1.5.

83 deaths for 119 kills in my APS namer, which makes it between 1.3-1.4.

Please don’t tell me you are looking at the respawns instead of deaths, which the game often swaps around on the in game stats page lmao.

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Same reason BMD-4M2 is 9.7 while the other 2 are 9.3, mystical snail balanz, or something to do with how italy has less players at top tier than most nations probably, meaning there’s a smaller pool to draw from when it comes to BR changes, meaning things can fly under the radar, but idk.

Speaking of, I wonder why the VBC (PT2) is 9.7 while the VBCI is 9.3…

Should probably be 10.7 to begin with and move up as necessary.

Look at the desert warrior being .3 below it… yeaaaah nah that’s just sad.

I stated you did not have a 1.5KD, because you don’t, even if it’s close to you.

I’m being specific about this intentionally. Considering your average top-tier KD is somewhere between 1.8 and 2, even with rather poor performers like the CR2 and Siman 4, a balanced vehicle should reflect that within your stats. The sheer fact that you barely maintain a 1.4KD in the Triskhon, yet have a 2.3KD in your most played Siman 3, shows that there’s a problem with the balance. Two tanks in the same lineup at the same BR should, in your hands, come out to a similar KD, yet they don’t.

The Namer is underperforming for your average in the lineup. I should have clarified what I meant prior. I was not shaming you. In fact, you have a very impressive performance overall. Hence, why the Namer performing below your average in its lineup should be noted.

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10.3 tanks

Its also not a light tank or an IFV so. Its actually way closer to tank destroyer role than you think

How about we move Namer down instead of trying to push Terminator to 11.3

Gaijin made its niche equivalent, the Begleit, a light tank, so the Terminator should match it for consistency. This might come as a surprise to some people, but the Begleit was designed with the same mission in mind. Both tanks were designed to protect against infantry. They are escort support tanks. While both received weapons to combat tanks, if they ran into them, they were not designed to do so. The role “Tank Destroyer” does not fit the Terminator, nor Begleit.

The Namer is also not really a light tank either. It’s a general term for vehicle characteristics. SPG within War Thunder falls under Tank Destroyers despite not being that either. The Hellcat is a Tank Destroyer, yet was relabeled a Light Tank for convenience years ago.

Kontakt 5 is already excessive for 10.3. You’re placing buffed Relikt at 10.3.

Completely irrelevant what the Bglt is. We’re talking about Terminator here which in fact isnt a light tank and definitely doesnt play as one unlike Bglt.

Yeah exactly because it fits the role in game. Hellcat was labelled as TD irl but still relied heavily on its mobility and ambush tactics like a light tank would. Namer irl is an APC in its base model and becomes a heavy IFV in its Bushmaster configuration.

Doesnt change a single thing in where to shoot those vehicles

It’s not irrelevant. They’re literally made in the same concept. The Begleit is NOT a light tank, yet it is treated as such within War Thunder.

Yes, it does. Kontakt 5 is capable of stopping 105mm APFSDS outright at 10.3. Relikt can stop 12.7 APFSDS. It should NOT be at 10.3.

What the hell is a CV9030 going to do to that? Hell, what is a KF41, at 11.0, going to do?

Because it plays like a light tank and by all means can be treated as such.

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While I do agree with the overall point you are making, an IFV and MBT are always going to be slightly different seeing how straight forward MBTs.

Same case for France. I use the 2A4NL and Jaguar in the same lineup, but my performance in the 2A4NL is much better.

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And the Terminator plays similarly to a Namer. What TD does the Terminator play like?

Shoot the easily accessible and non armored missiles and ammo belt for the 30mm?

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The Namer and Terminator, at present, are fairly equal. While the Namer might have better penetration, an APS, and more maneuverability, it also has fewer useful missiles, a significantly lower firerate, and worse armor (cause Gaijin says so).

I don’t see why the Terminator should see any 9.3 vehicles, let alone be lower than the KF41 and Puma.

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Remind me again why the Namer was moved up from 10.3? Something something belts hard to hit, near-immortal hulldown, 9.3 IFV were helpless against it, etc etc.

You say “shoot the ammo” in practice, but you forget that the 30mm might get a single shot off due to its firerate by the time the 2A42 dumbs ten rounds. Not to mention APFSDS Spall is generated by left over penetration, and the Terminator isn’t thin even around the belts. It’s basically a spall liner.

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