Disabling TK on and in the immediate vicinity of the runway would not “dumb down” the game.
That being said, Gaijin has no desire whatsoever to do anything about TK so you have nothing to worry about.
Its a complicit part of their game/business model and although they may posture they aren’t going to really do anything to address it.
That comment was related to his other suggestion, not about disabling FF on the runway (as you could have read). To that I responded that it won’t fix it because people can still just take off and wait for FF to be enabled again before blasting. I also commented that this type of TK’s, unprovoked at the start of the game, you aren’t going to address through mechanics other than handing out bans - as I also suggested.
Besides those TK’s resulting from sheer toxicity, there are also other TK’s resulting from pure frustration. Those can be addressed through game mechanic changes.
Nothing you’ve said in your response negates my point.
It’s the malicious Team Kills that are the problem, not the ones in the heat of battle.
And, the lions share of those malicious TK happen at the beginning of the match either sitting on the runway during take off, or immediately after.
They greatly reduce afterwards because the planes disperse and even the toxic players that commit the malicious TK refocus on the game.
You can keep the TK active during battle, which doesn’t dumb down the game, and eliminate it around the airfields which would take it away from the toxic players.
But again I don’t think we have to worry about it either way, Gaijin has made it abundantly clear, to me personally, they have no intention at all to address the issue in any serious manner.
It is same as real life in behavior context. Only here the outcome is digital and people have more courage to break the rules because they are safe in their home. If things were in order than no one could dare to break the rules even in this environment where they think they are safe to break any rules. Same with bullying that happens excessively online like the other person has done who replied to my previous post, just to give you an example. Both in real life and in online games with communities there are rules, they are comparable. In one example someone else has given, when you “think” you own a bomb base as soon as you ping it and someone else bombs it, you are responsible for creating your own frustration by at the first place “thinking” it was your bomb target. You are responsible for that frustration but you kill your teammate, just an example, I don’t mean you behave that way. Like in real life when you see a stone with no owner from far on the ground and someone else gets there sooner and picks up and claims the stone, you don’t have the right to pull your gun and shoot them. This is just an example, I have said more than enough for someone who wants to understand, the rest will be a waste of time if one insists not to understand.
My words are clear and does not imply any of what you understood. They are clear for anyone who wants to understand. Someone who tries hard not to understand, trying to tell that person may be helpless as long as that person closes themself.
Not defending intentional TK literally means that even cases like this are not allowed.
Imagine 2 squads in an air rb team, 4 members each…someone from one of the squads kills the other in the other squad for “base stealing”(so called) and then the rest go into a 3v4 civil war. Is this the war thunder community behaviour that you are defending and supporting? Instead of simply reporting the teamkiller, encouraging teamkilling is also disrespecting the game moderators by not trusting their answer to the situation.
Most of the time it happens Jet RB so if they didn’t focus on bombing all the time the underlying problem would not have happened.
Funny how people bring bombs with F-4S even it is literally best phantom at 11.3BR rn.
I think you make a good point, not that it is an excuse for Team killing.
But the issue you are talking about is a source of toxicity.
Again, I think this is something that is intentional and rest solely at the feet of Gaijin.
They insert these fighters that are bomb busses in the game where bombing has little to no affect on the outcome.
Players just use them to spam matches and get the experience and SL as quick as possible without adding anything positive or constructive to the match.
People are teamkilling intentionaly for bomb bases and stuff like nothing happens to them afterwards, please perma ban these people’s accounts, this is unacceptable. @Schindibee
They won’t address these types of TKs as long as they keep their heads in the sand and trust on their algorithm to do the job … as long as core issues that lead to this level of frustration stay, TK stays … I mean these type of forum threads have been going on since forever, see old forum
We are now 6 years and 2 months further with zero change. Same people involved. Don’t expect miracles.
I still stand by my previous post
I agree that War Thunder needs more game modes for different kind of players. Especially PVE for aircrafts. But this does not justify any teamkill because of bomb base contest or kill steals, period. Also the bomb base system you suggested would be appropriate for a PVE mode. High health bomb bases would sometimes work and other times would not work in Air RB. It can cause more bomber aircraft and when you are alone towards end of a match in like a 2v2, you can’t finish the base alone, would have to give the points you would normally get including destruction bonus. But again nothing justifies intentional teamkills.
Just get rid of that and tie entire base to a number of tickets… throw more bombs on it, reduce tickets more… for example:
Base health = 10,000 (example) and tied to 300 tickets (again, an example). First 8,000 health cost 200 tickets loss, last 2,000 health cost another 100 tickets (making base destruction important).
Every health reduced is tied to a fixed amount of SL/RP, destroying the base does not give more SL/RP as bonus, it gives the same award as before with added bonus of draining 100 tickets for just 2,000 health reduction (as opposed to 4,000 health for 100 tickets before that).
This way
Sure, this requires a little rework of 2 tasks which have “Destroy X bases”, they could just change that to “Damage bases by X”
I don’t see anything wrong with this tbh.
Maybe @Schindibee can propose/forward something like this along the chain. I dunno, it definitely needs a rework
It would be great if we could focus on team kills. In the last few days in around 15 -20% of my matches i saw teamkills on both sides.
It still boils down to the fact that the threshold for a temp or perma ban is too low and additional punishments are absent.
No matter of plain stupidity or intentional teamkills - i see a need to adjust their “auto-ban friendly-fire counter”.
But there is an excuse when it’s an accident
Accidents do not “happen”. Accidents are caused.
And this often through neglect: Not caring about situational awareness.
If I fire in a situation where a nearby ally could potentially get in the way (be that arty, gunfire, missiles,…), I’m at least partially responsible for the result.
TK’s can “happen” to all of us, but looking back at the TK’s I have on my “conscience”, I can truly say that they were probably all because I wasn’t careful enough to ID my target, take into consideration movement of nearby players, or firing missiles in merged situations.
All avoidable.
I would like to add my two cents as well. And yes, TEAMKILLING is an annoyance.
There is no accident involved if it happens at takeoff! In props, they are approaching a teammate , sawing off their tail, ruining their own prop but this allowing them to glide to base, while the victim is crashing to death. At least this no longer counts as a teamkill for the victim.
And in all fairness, I do not believe that the reports are being investigated or acted upon. If they were, that behaviour would have stopped. It has not.
In the spirit of constructive criticism, I would as well like to offer suggestions.
First and foremost: Dear Gaijin, disregarding the TK reports is perceived as DISRESPECTING YOUR PLAYERS. Do you want that? This is the perception however. Please give us something to show you care!
Accidents happen, yes, and friendly fire happens. How about a really tangible penalty? Crew block for an hour ( The crew being interrogated about the incident, investigations, a court martial … ). SL penalties ten times what they are now. Temporary bans, permanent bans!
Show us the TKs in the player cards we look at. With an expiration, like : “Friendly kills in the past 30 days: X”
That way we can look at our peers. And judge ourself if that was accidental.
Suggestion: If someone TKs in a match (properly automatically detected) then killing that player gives no penalty to team mates but counts as a kill FOR ANY PLAYER, as the teamkiller just put themselves outside the law. (maybe the player even appears as red to both teams?)
Suggestion: add a “known traitor” icon (a knife? for backstabbing?) to the name of a repeat teamkiller, so people looking at teammates see the name, and can pay attention (not turning their backs to them… take off after them… )
And yes, many of my suggestions include “shaming”. That is necessary I feel…
Because let’s say it loud and clear: Teamkillers are not cool. They are cowards. Because it does not take any courage to shoot a friendly in the back. Teamkillers are cowards, who do not dare to fight the enemies who shoot back.
Teamkillers should be shamed, and be ashamed.
Etaski out.
Two excessive team kill events:
@Schindibee - do you think that the current auto-ban-system for tracking and punishing team killers is sufficient?
Bruh…
Where’d my post go?
War Thunder community is one of the worst, full of “garbage people”. They join in the game as 100% newbies, they don’t progress by practice and grinding, they buy their way into top tiers. Then they get killed a lot, they started messing around with teammates, or buy esp to cheat(very very common met multiple low level rage hackers in last 3 days, some of them are banned cheaters, they come back again). As American non premium main I really hate some of those “premium” players. They have op jets, get full downtier, but barely contribute anything to the team. I have to dog fight mig jets with my non premium a10 attacker, get 1-2 kills, while my “premium” teammates get wiped out in seconds. 7 F5C with 0kill 200 points, 3 f4s bots. Every time I had to do air to air combat by a10, get into front row on scoreboard, that game is lost for sure. TK was very common in low tier, now they can bypass grinding by “premium” purchasing, just made things worse in top tier.
Lots of the team killers are real “garbage people”, they cheat in game too. I was team killed by a guy in 11.0 ground rb by drone, I check his replay, he’s a cheater, turns on thermal in 3rd person view, in a tank without thermal device, he tracks people behind terrains and buildings too. It’s been a year now, that cheater is still playing. The cheaters cheat, game became too easy and boring for them, they are too pathetic to understand why the games are meat to be played fair and fun, they get “happiness” through making others suffer.
Beside, there are more problems in this game.:
Cheaters. They are out of control, I have met more than 10 rage hackers in 3 days of game play in top tier. One of my teammate even gets 11k1a0d before timer hits 21:30. He gets nuke jet bomber in less than 3 minutes, must be a record even for rage hackers(ps: he crashed, he’s newbie). New players started the game by cheating, this game is dead already. Gaijin loves cheaters, cheaters are big spender, esp isn’t free. Every year, Gaijin launches ban wave during store discount, so the cheaters will be back, buy more premium items.
Pay to win and biassed game design are really getting my nerves. As American non premium main, it used to be bad, now it’s way worse! mig and su jets take full blast from my a10 cannons and one 9l hit, still flying and turning, trying to get my teammate. I have to blow them into pieces, finish them off for good. But my a10 gets one 20mm hit, structure turns yellow, lose most maneuverability. situation is worse in ground mode, can’t penetrate t80 t90, m1 shells bounce off premium 2s and leo constantly.(2s38 driver stopped 598 penetration shell, finest display of pay to win and russian bias). American missiles are useless now. 9l can’t hit targets. i shot down mig29 with a10 cannon, but 2 seconds later, its ir missile gets me. This bug or nerf didn’t apply to russian.
I have huge disadvantage with network issue due to isp reroute logic, my ping to every server is equally 300ms, I can still get the hang of it. But cheating, p2w, and biassed game design that forcd players to grind and pay more money, are not tolerable.
I used to purchase premium account and store item at full price from time to time, but I stopped paying long time ago: not worth it. It’s the best decision ever, progressing is still tedious and prolonged, I just don’t care anymore. Saved some money, got brand new computer with 64gb ram, newest high end graphic cards with 24gb memory, several big 4k monitors, get some animals, get some books…
No paying, no extra suffering.