I do understand that it’s frustrating, but that’s how it is. Imagine you landed a hit (not a critical, not a severe hit), just a hit to one of their ailerons, the enemy could have limped to the airfield and repair entirely, however they were killed by a friendly and you’d still get the kill assist. Now, I don’t understand Russian (or whichever language that is, I’m bad on identifying them) so I don’t know in exactitude what it says. but it seems you landed a critical at least. If you landed a crit, it would get you the assist as sometimes, when you make a crit, you damage a part that although is important, it still allows you to fly back to the airfield (sometimes it doesn’t) if in any case, you landed a severe hit, it should’ve given a ‘Severely damaged aircraft counted as kill’ message or similar.
its a crit
you know, i would have gotten a kill if this mig23 just straight up crashed, but since he got teamkilled i only got an assist
imagine if enemies crashing after getting damaged would only count as assists
From my pov this whole kill allocation issue is a nightmare.
I mean i got sometimes rewarded with a kill after 5-6 minutes just because you hit the enemy (without any damage) once and this guy later crashes due to sheer incompetence into a pillbox or (my personal favorite) collides with an ai aircraft.
And 2 matches later you shoot a wing tip off, created oil- and watrr leaks and the guy full commits to head-on with a friendly and both explode without assigning a kill or an assist…
So asking for a kill if your damaged enemy got teamkilled looks comprehensible.
Yeah I know, but I don’t think that this would be easy to change or add right now. I agree with all of you, the kill should go to you but well, I don’t know, it’s been programmed like that.
why did i get a ban for 3 weeks? I don’t kill any teammate
Gaijin needs to lower the threshold for friendly damage and subsequent auto-kick from Air RB matches from 2 to 1 team kills.
I just came out of a match:
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…in which an enemy Yak-3 killed (fully intended) two friendly fighters and got just then auto-kicked. The loss of 3 fighters completely changed the outcome of this match as my team was previously totally outnumbered (just bombers left) and had before this malicious action no realistic chance to win.
In other words: A single player prevented that his entire team received the SL & RP bonus for an almost guaranteed victory. This can’t be right.
Match summary
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I had bombed (in a B-18B) 4 x ground for my daily and had damaged an enemy Do 217 with a very cheap bot script (reported too) and had planned to leave the match. The weather was pretty bad (thunderclouds) and i had massive PL and several connection losses in the first minutes.
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So flying vs 5 fighters and 2 bombers with a rookie team mate in a T-18 (he messed up his 2nd landing) and a clumsy B-17 as last team mates made no sense - especially if you can’t go low due to connection losses and markers don’t work in really bad weather; so you are flying more or less blind below contrail alt - not my thing.
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Out of curiosity i stayed in spectator mode and saw that one of the 2 remaining fighters got an oil leak whilst strafing and killing the B-17 on our forward airfield.
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My last friendly crashed and i decided to respawn hoping that despite the PL (up to 25%) and the connection losses i would able able to sideclimb in order to face the last enemy fighter (a Yak-9K) at higher alt above this cloud nonsense.
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Long story short - i lost 3 or 4 times server connection, faced up to 27% PL and the Yak-9 rammed one of my ai planes on purpose - imho totally undeserved ticket win as all i had to do was to stay alive.
One of the worst examples of team killing I’ve seen, with no punishment at all, is in Air-RB. If someone kills a friendly at the start of the match when we’re all taking off, and then the player who gets teamkilled loses control of their plane (due to no wing) and rams into other player(s) taking off, they also receive a team kill penalty. It should be the person who teamkilled at the start who should receive both penalties, as they caused a daisy chain of crashes.
I think they should add a system that, if a plane is badly damaged and crashes into another, the player who caused the damage should receive both kills. That means if an enemy damages you and you crash into a friendly, then it should be attributed to the enemy for both, instead of an assist. The same applies to a friendly, so they get kicked out of the match for two friendly team kills. At the very least, it should count as a double friendly kill. They can easily be sorted out so that they only attribute crashes and not missiles or primary/secondary fires that result in the death of friendly personnel.
There are also people dropping bombs at air spawn, causing multiple friendlies to get damaged and not necessarily dying straight away. They have no choice but to fight, even if slightly damaged, or turn around and land to repair. There is nothing to capture that type of griefing and relies on reporting, which, of course, probably doesn’t do much.
Honestly this would be lovely when engaging formations. Sometimes you hit a bomber just right and it causes the formation to blow up and you only get 1 kill despite being the reason for breaking the formation apart (bombs vs .50 cal feels a bit broken tbf).
Disclaimer: I do not deal with these types of bans and have no behind the scenes information on how teamkill bans are made, this information is based on personal opinions and a general understanding from publicly available information.
That is likely where you are wrong. All types of damage done to Friendlies is recorded in some way and added as “points” to the system that then at some unknown total amount of points hands out a punishment of appropriate size. As far as i understand it those points are also compared to the amount of time passed and respawns done between getting those points to see if a punishment is necessary or not (Source: https://support.gaijin.net/hc/en-us/articles/200069301-Teamkilling). So i’m guessing that a gun-kill will land you more points than slight damage done by a bomb for example.
Reporting teamkills that the system might not catch still helps though. When teamkilling done in a way where it doesn’t show up in the kill feed and where the system might not catch it (like pushing a tank into water or pushing a friendly plane into the ground for example) it needs to be reported using the server replay report function and not the in-game complaint system. A guide on how to create a correct report for each in-game issue can be found here: (How to properly report players and contact Game Masters!).
And reporting does help, they did a ban wave for griefing/teamkills in November that explicitly included bans due to ramming.
Since then they have posted about teamkill bans alongside the cheating bans in i think all of the ban waves (not 100% if it’s all of them but i think so). So reporting does indeed work.
Everyone says to use the server report system, so is the in game one just a cosmetic?
Short answer? Yes.
I saw a team kill related thread with such a post:
If you read the whole thread:
The quoted player (creator of OP) complained about getting team killed by a “racist” player in a Air SB match.
Fun facts:
- He linked the server replay link to this thread
- He agreed / was comfortable to play PvE
- He crashed at least on time on purpose
- He called his team mate a “thai dog” (15:08)
It was a pleasure to report the OP 😂
Have in mind that manual reports of team kills are (if actually classified as team kill by the battlelog and subsequently charged with a fine) a waste of time.
Game Masters (GMs) confirm frequently that they are not interfering with the auto-ban system (see OP) - and that they have no details about who within gaijin reacts how (and if) on manual reporting of other team kills like ramming.
Feel free to add suggestions about adequate punishments - but have in mind that team kills are handled (automatically) differently between RB and SB matches and gaijin plays also a role (like rogue AAMs or dysfunctional IFF).
Have a good one!
Just pop out some question from my head as I never get a Nuke… Do you basically Teamkill all your teammates when you drop a Nuke?? Or does your teammates basically just miraculously survived and protected by the Snail god? And if not how much will the repair cost be if it got drop in Top Tier?
Imho you brought up a rather interesting topic which proves that wt is pure fantasy - by using common sense the answer is obvious.
Technically seen (depending on used warhead and simulated combat area) you kill more or less all guys on the battlefield (including the carrier aircraft) either direct or indirect (blast/heat/shock wave & radiation).
But nobody would drop a nuke in wt if he would have to pay the fines for killing his whole team - and nobody within the enemy team would even try to continue playing if a player in the enemy team is near a nuke.
On top of that: The auto-ban system would temp ban highly successful players frequently (if his team at the battlefield would be considered as getting team killed) - so gaijin would combine a reward (dropping a nuke) with a punishment (temp ban) - makes no sense…
So the answer is no.
The nuke concept (as currently implemented) is actually an immersion killer. I wrote some time ago this:
Have a good one!
Can someone explain why the behavior is so prevalent? It’s not something I understand. It’s only impacted me directly for the first couple times in the last few days, but it seems to occur in the majority of matches… and it just seems weird.
It’s certainly disappointing that it isn’t punished. It can snowball your team before you even see a bandit.
Depends on what you’re doing. Some people are weird and shoot down people trying to bomb, other times they shoot you down for bombing their base
The instance that really stood out to me personally:
- at match start/spawn. Teammate is shooting on the runway, decides to single me out continue shooting as we take off. I tell him to stop (and may have suggested he go back to playing arcade), then land to repair. He attempts to strafe me on the runway, and continues to attack as I take off. I was playing with my son - my son came back just in time to break him off me so I could take off. Really no idea why he would attack teammates (fighter on fighter), and then continue to attack instead of just playing the match.
The thing is, I see this on one team or the other in probably half my matches… maybe more. A fighter shooting down another fighter. It’s like a weird cultural artifact I just don’t understand.
They just think it’s funny to ruin people’s games