I think that’s basically what they’ve already done, yes.
I wish I had the 105, man… but yes. It’s more or less what I was saying in my previous comment. So many better options than the P.
The calculus might change if the production Tigers go to 7.0 as I expect to happen. Even then tbh I don’t know if I’ll bother choosing it over the alternatives.
You are assuming that every player has that line up which I don’t incidentally, and you are not addressing the individual vehicle on it’s own merits but the line up as a whole there.Quite a few few of us stop at that BR and that is why the crossover is so ugly on the uptier.
I wasn’t talking about the Tiger P’s merits, which is why I wasn’t addressing them. I’m saying that for German old-guards who have everything, and F2P German mains who only have 5 crew slots, there is already very little reason to take the Tiger P now. Because of this, I think Gaijin would have an easier time making it irrelevant rather than trying to find a better BR for it or factor it into future decompression changes.
Which in effect is what the current situation is already, yes.
I have this thing about learning every vehicle in the tree & play them well, so I will get back to the P for a stint sometime in the future, but unless the production variants are bumped up, I doubt I’ll ever touch it again after that. No slot in my “rotation” for sure.
so i just did 10 battles and here are the results:
1st battle : (7.7) original BR (6.7) killed by AML-90
2nd battle (7.7) original BR (6.7) killed by T34 (US)
3nd battle (6.7) original BR (6.7) got (3 kills) killed by jumbo 76
4st battle (7.7) original BR (6.7) got (1 kill) killed by IS3
5st battle (7.7) original BR (6.7) got (2 kills) killed by AMX-(SS.11)
6st battle (7.7) original BR (6.7) killed by BMP-1
7st battle (6.7) original BR (6.7) killed by French M26
8nd battle (7.7) original BR (6.7) got (1 kill) killed by T34 (US)
9th battle (7.7) original BR (6.7) killed by Sh’ot
10th battle (7.3) original BR (6.7) killed by swedish BMP-1
my lineup was: (tiger II P) and (bf109 F4)
well i think that the only thing i can say is that War thunder is biased and not realistic hates their German and f2p players. if this continues ill probably switch to WoT its more fun…Ah Yes! another thing i the last month i had suicidal toughts only because of war thunder. i dont know what to say
I’ll ignore the rest of your comment: on the off chance that you’re being serious, please seek professional help, as this is an incredibly serious matter that forums like these are not equipped to handle.
chill, im pretty fine now i had a long pause from war thunder, now im chill i dont play it so much i did these battles just to try to prove my point
now you can look at the rest of the post (n_n)
Sure.
You didn’t prove anything.
You spawned in several full uptiers. Granted the German 6.7 lineup is heavy-oriented, but the Tiger II P is even less suited to full uptiers than its production variants are.
You had no supporting lineup, meaning that you were also spawning it regardless of maps, and once you died, you had no follow up.
And 10 games is a small sample size which means nothing.
You got pretty much unremarkable results that are entirely in line with expectations for how you approached these ten matches.
I think the Tiger II P is currently irrelevant because I look at it in terms of a comparative analysis with the other lineup options you have at 6.7, not because “Germany suffers”.
Nothing to do with bias.
And yes, it’s not realistic, which is a good thing.
Bruh. No.
The Tiger II P suffers from the problem of being stuck in a limbo caused by the state of BR compression. Send it down too much and it becomes unfair to everything below it, send it up and it’s a useless piece of junk. Even at 6.7 it still meets vehicles it shouldn’t get to bully around when in a downtier, while simultaneously being extremely weak in most other situations.
There is no solution to this problem outside of meaningful BR decompression. It’s just that simple. For now, it has no real place in the game to call home.
I understand and agree.
The OP to me is saying, Take the tiger back to 6.3 “It’s meant to be great and it’s not” and that is the issue, same with some other vehicles.
I do also think it’s such a shame that something as legendary as the Tiger II is so underwhelming as it seems to come into the game at 6.7 where War Thunder for me unravels quite a bit as an enjoyable game for somebody with a lifelong interest in tanks.
One could say the same about the great late war tanks of the USA as well in that they are swallowed up in an ocean of much more modern HEAT slingers and APDS firing vehicles. Many seem to be much higher than they need to be, M26 being a fine example. Should be among the Panthers it was made to fight in WW2 not at 6.7 or whatever.
I’m not launching into an era separation rant but just stating that it’s a shame that really special vehicles are by no means special in this game.
It seems a common theme for posts that the Tank legends that we all look forward to unlocking, Tiger 1 and 2, M4A2E and JS tanks are all swallowed up by much more mundane later vehicles with modern ammo.
Out of my remit a little but there are posts about how the Abrams and Challenger 2 simply aren’t special in any way and that annoys players especially after the lengths they went to get hold of them finally.
No vehicle is allowed to be great, everything in War Thunder gets smashed with the equality hammer at some point. Only way we could make legends legendary would be to give them the same spawn options as CAS but even then, like everything else in War Thunder the shifting BR debacle would destroy the notion.
I think people expect so much more from the Tiger 2 just because…
I think the problem with the Tiger II is that everyone wants to experience the disparity of power and armor that the Tiger II created, but when the entire team spawns Tiger II’s EVERY match in this BR, the entire production run of Tiger II’s IRL runs out before a dozen matches have been played. Whether only 1 was built or 100,000 , everyone gets to spawn (potentially) up to eight king tigers in a match with backups and I don’t know every battle of WW2 by memory but I know Germany wasn’t fielding entire battlegroups of KT’s to take small, dilapidated, towns in the middle of nowhere on the regular.
Make it be fun for the tank user, and the tank adversary. I think the way it is now, where Germany can pretend the Wehrmacht could regularly get 10+ KT’s with working transmissions to single skirmishes
that only take up 2km^2 of the battlefront on the regular, and everyone else can pretend their giga-heavies weren’t waiting across the Atlantic for better cranes to be invented works.
Exactly. That wouldn’t really be fun for anyone involved.
Agreed.
I think the Tiger II production variants are among the very best tanks in the game for their BR. They have serviceable mobility and an amazing gun with, even more important, a high rate of fire. You can play it as a sniper, you can play it as an anti-flanker, you can play it aggressively. A flanking Tiger II has the turret rotation speed, rate of fire and explosive filler to truly punish the enemies so blindsided. Even I - a player who’s better at TDs and is only now starting to broaden my horizons - can see how good it can be in the right hands, and it’s one of the tanks that I see drop nukes most often.
I’ll grant you:
The power creep of WW2 stuff is real. It affects all WW2 stuff. But the Tiger II has the tools to cope with it better than other tanks.
We live in a period of WT’s history right now where 6.0 sees M109s at five different tech trees. Things fall apart way before 6.7 and the powercreep has gone so far that at this point it is functionally unfixable.
This I think says it all. Disparity of power. They want the seal club.
I guess we have our answer already then. Yes, War Thunder will allow you to seal club with the Tiger II but not in every game. I can’t help but accept that and be happy with it.
Otherwise, it’s a major rework of the game.
Exactly, at the end of the day, we all roughly get a 50% win chance with every vehicle… or at least that’s the golden rule the game strives for (occasional OP premiums excluded). What more can we ask for :D
Besides, like I said, it’s an incredibly good tank even when uptiered. Take a look at this if you have a few minutes to kill :D
Thankyou I will.
OK. you cant get my point, EVERY time i use the Tiger II P i cant do shet and i always die in 5 secs even if im sniping from spawn, i dont ask for it to be op but at 6.7 its always uptiered and if you did not feed the snail (like me) 7.7 becomes the BR of the tiger II and get maybe a couple kills to get a stable K/D or what? german players need to suffer till the Tiger II H (thats is the exactly same thing but needs to remain 6.7 for other things)
also this video was from 2 years ago and since that time some german vehicles got nerfed/or even removed and that tank in the video (Tiger II H Sla.16 that im even planning to buy) is a premium so in short
feed snail 39.99$ = get more than 1 assist
another thing, when the tiger ii p was at 6.3 my avarage battle was 3-5 kills
so i dosent bully anyone because T34-85 can pen it, M26 can pen it , in short it was perfect. i seen that only YouTubers can get more than 10 kills bacause they are professional and have the game for a lot of years but image a new players that finally gets Tiger II P and founds out that is just scrap metal with a straw attached to it so really probably he quits germany and finds a better nation but he has still the dream of maybe Leopard 2 but will never get that dream and thats pretty sad so you say something does it sounds right to you?
Im sorry man but thats just you, none of the 7.7 things are actually struggling with that
Tigers ll are just the option you have, what else are you going to spawn?
7.7 British the post pen damage is terrible and i was thinking of the wrong tank i meant against the maus and misremembered it as the King tiger
I don’t think the king tiger should change br